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Should Uncle Sam Actively Seek Out & Deport Illegals?

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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby jasonraymondson » Wed 18 Feb 2009, 17:44:48

am i the only person who really just wants to put up turrents and kill all of them before they even get to the border?

I realize they have it crappy down there, but in 10 year it is going to be just as bad here. So why are we trying to make it worse?
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby dunny » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 22:38:46

How high up the job ladder can an illegal immigrant to the USA get before they will have trouble from officialdom?

I get that they could get a job as a dishwasher or a gardener and get paid cash so no one would be any wiser, but what happens when they want a promotion?

Also, as a blonde, blue eyed english speaker if I went to the US for a holiday and overstayed my visa, ie just didn't go home, would I be limited to just cash type work or would I be able to slide into a higher level job without anyone asking questions?

Say I turned up in Kansas or Texas or somewhere and rented a house and started looking for work. Are people going to ask for my papers or whatever when they hear my accent?

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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 29 Apr 2009, 12:55:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dunny', 'H')ow high up the job ladder can an illegal immigrant to the USA get before they will have trouble from officialdom?

I get that they could get a job as a dishwasher or a gardener and get paid cash so no one would be any wiser, but what happens when they want a promotion?

Also, as a blonde, blue eyed english speaker if I went to the US for a holiday and overstayed my visa, ie just didn't go home, would I be limited to just cash type work or would I be able to slide into a higher level job without anyone asking questions?

Say I turned up in Kansas or Texas or somewhere and rented a house and started looking for work. Are people going to ask for my papers or whatever when they hear my accent?

Thanks,

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President Obama has suspended all ICE deportations of illegal aliens working at US jobs, so the government should pretty much leave you alone. Some employers may still want to see a green card or other proof of residence.
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby Aaron » Wed 29 Apr 2009, 14:11:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'a')m i the only person who really just wants to put up turrents and kill all of them before they even get to the border?

I realize they have it crappy down there, but in 10 year it is going to be just as bad here. So why are we trying to make it worse?


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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby Ayoob » Wed 29 Apr 2009, 14:55:01

Aaron,

I say it in person all day long. People are starting to agree with me.

There is no benefit in multiculturalism to a white guy. It's a net negative all the way around.
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby Aaron » Wed 29 Apr 2009, 15:28:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'A')aron,

I say it in person all day long. People are starting to agree with me.

There is no benefit in multiculturalism to a white guy. It's a net negative all the way around.


I'd say there are two sides to that issue... both good & bad points.

Murdering people to prevent immigration however, is strictly one-sided.

Bat-shait, insane, wacko... Kuku for Cocopuffs, Over the top, internet tough guy, adolescent crap.

Illegal in most countries & against board policy.

And stupid... very, very stupid.

I don't really want to live in Urban Mexico either... mostly because of their casual acceptance of exactly what Jason just advocated this thread.
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby Ayoob » Thu 30 Apr 2009, 04:32:50

It's not e-thuggery for me. I'm pretty up front about suggesting machine gun turrets along the border. You'd only have to kill so many before the rest would get the message. Otherwise... America is just territory that's open for resettlement by anyone/everyone. Fight to keep what you have or lose it forever.

Also, I sell guns now. Any time I find out a friend or acquaintance of mine is unarmed, I make a point of it to sell them a gun at cost.

So far I've armed two of my coworkers, and apparently the word is out at work. There are at least five more guys on the unit across the hall from me who have been looking up guns and are getting ready to place orders.

No eThuggery at all. I'm not really bragging either... who gives a shit what a bunch of pixels called Ayoob does anyway? For all anyone knows, I'm just blowing smoke up your ass.

My favorite sale was to a 60+ year old woman with arthritis. We met in a McDonald's parking lot a couple weeks ago when it was really cold. We hopped out of our vehicles in the parking lot, she pulled the trigger a couple times, said it was good to go, and I stuffed a knot of cash in my pocket, and it was over. She's not going to be a victim quite as much as she might have been.
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby Aaron » Thu 30 Apr 2009, 08:00:01

So you'll become what you detest to combat immigration?
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby Roy » Thu 30 Apr 2009, 09:38:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')m i the only person who really just wants to put up turrents and kill all of them before they even get to the border?


Nope.

My father, a career Border Patrol agent, along with many of his colleagues, had this discussion regularly at bbqs when I was growing up. Their idea was .50 caliber m/gs every 1500 yards or so, combined with the electronic sensor network they were using even back then, and aerial surveillance. Their idea was a 'free fire' zone with ample warning signs and mine fields in the higher traffic areas. (note: these discussions were often fueled with prodigious quantities of Olympia and Budweiser :) )

LOL

Even 30 years ago, they were incredibly frustrated with their 'rules of engagement', the fact that they could only catch a small percentage, and the fact that when they started doing too good of a job, they were told to slow down.

They felt completely overwhelmed. They put a lot of their efforts in catching smugglers whom they viewed as the real criminals. My dad always said the immigrants themselves were mostly just regular people looking to better their chances at a decent life, but he felt that the US did not owe them that. He also understood overshoot and finite resources.

That's a tough dilemma for a person given his career choice. He tried like hell to get me to join up but I could never see myself as a cop. :)

I would never advocate for such a deadly solution, but I do believe the greatest current threat to the United States (other than its own willful over comsumption) is on our southern border, and that our military, who's duty it is to protect these United States, should be down there rather than in Iraq or Afghanistan defending the economic interests of some multi-national corporations.

(republicans and democrats both think this world view is completely insane -- and as a result I think both parties are THE biggest threat to Americans' personal liberties and to the sovereignty of this country)

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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby flapjax » Thu 30 Apr 2009, 09:56:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'a')m i the only person who really just wants to put up turrents and kill all of them before they even get to the border?

I realize they have it crappy down there, but in 10 year it is going to be just as bad here. So why are we trying to make it worse?


This is why I don't like some white Americans. "I've got to keep what I have even if it means killing my neighbor. They are not white anyway so who give a shit. What I have is rightfully mine somehow. It is too bad for you to have been born a Mexican. I'll kill ya if you come on my greener lawn."

It was never your lawn to begin with. The planet and this space of it we call the USA does not belong to only White Americans. One day, and I hope soon, the line will be drawn where you separatist crackers will be at war for this continued illusion. I'm ready to get this over with. I'm so tired of this nonsense.
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby Ibon » Thu 30 Apr 2009, 11:29:45

Hey white boys. Even if you stop all immigration today caucasians will be the minority in the US by 2050. Suck it up!

Population projections 2008 2050
Non-Hispanic whites 68% 46%
Hispanic 15 % 30%
African Americans 12% 15%
Asian American 5% 9%

source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_dem ... ted_States
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby eastbay » Thu 30 Apr 2009, 11:36:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'H')ey white boys. Even if you stop all immigration today caucasians will be the minority in the US by 2040. Suck it up!



This is probably true. All life undergoes this awesome transformation. It's all part of the natural process of birth, life, and death. In this case it's the death of a nation. This is occurring right before our very eyes and there's absolutely nothing anyone can do about this fascinating wilting away of a great nation and people.

It's becoming now a mass feeding on the corpse. Like it or not.
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby Ayoob » Thu 30 Apr 2009, 11:38:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'S')o you'll become what you detest to combat immigration?


Was that one for me?

What is it I detest?
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby Aaron » Thu 30 Apr 2009, 11:49:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..immigration will be a major issue starting around 2020 but not in the way most of you’ll expect.


Friedman

He contends the aging boomer population will force the US to encourage immigration not only from Mexico, but all over the world... even offering incentives (Money) to immigrants to come to the US to work.

He makes a strong case that population pressures will put the US in the position of competing with other countries for young people to perform labor.

It's a compelling argument... and one that guarantees not only sustained levels of immigration, but an order of magnitude increase across the board.

So your hopes & dreams of machine gun nests along the border chopping poor women & children into salsa are hopelessly riddled with FAIL.

Matters not to HawkMan & me though... You are either potential rivals, mates or nest-lining to us... regardless of color.

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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby Aaron » Thu 30 Apr 2009, 11:54:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'S')o you'll become what you detest to combat immigration?


Was that one for me?

What is it I detest?


You advocate murdering folks because you don't want their murdering selves in your country?
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby eastbay » Thu 30 Apr 2009, 11:56:50

Friedman misses the timeline:

It won't wait until 2020, it's happening right now. But there's no way they can all be fed, clothed, housed, and energied-up, at least not for very long. It will be the final bubble. And a messy one at that.
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby Ibon » Thu 30 Apr 2009, 12:31:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')It's a compelling argument... and one that guarantees not only sustained levels of immigration, but an order of magnitude increase across the board.



It is not only the replacement levels of the aged but also the skill level of the work required when we are forced into localization of our economies. If you go to any developing country you will see thousands of cottage industries in any large town; carpenters, blacksmiths, mechanics, shops rebuilding alternators, engines, farmers, potters, tailors, bricklayers, appliance repair, computer repair, air conditioning repair, recycling, etc. etc.

In the future planning forums we discuss the importance of the relocalization of our regional economies in a post peak oil world and the need to make things again in the US.

Well, who has the skill level required to do this. A third generation suburbanite working in the service consumer economy or a migrant Mexican?

I have been saying this for years......if it comes down to a lifeboat strategy I want to have a lot of people of color in my lifeboat......not just a bunch of socially dysfunctional whining caucasians!

Who is really prepared to do the heavy lifting?
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby vision-master » Thu 30 Apr 2009, 12:35:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')It's a compelling argument... and one that guarantees not only sustained levels of immigration, but an order of magnitude increase across the board.



It is not only the replacement levels of the aged but also the skill level of the work required when we are forced into localization of our economies. If you go to any developing country you will see thousands of cottage industries in any large town; carpenters, blacksmiths, mechanics, shops rebuilding alternators, engines, farmers, potters, tailors, bricklayers, appliance repair, computer repair, air conditioning repair, recycling, etc. etc.

In the future planning forums we discuss the importance of the relocalization of our regional economies in a post peak oil world and the need to make things again in the US.

Well, who has the skill level required to do this. A third generation suburbanite working in the service consumer economy or a migrant Mexican?

I have been saying this for years......if it comes down to a lifeboat strategy I want to have a lot of people of color in my lifeboat......not just a bunch of socially dysfunctional whining caucasians!

Who is really prepared to do the heavy lifting?


I've never seen a 'black' construction worker or landscaper up here. Only service work like restaurants. Mexicans yes, blacks, no. They all migrate to Government jobs, just like the GLTS's.
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby Roy » Thu 30 Apr 2009, 12:37:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is why I don't like some white Americans. "I've got to keep what I have even if it means killing my neighbor. They are not white anyway so who give a shit. What I have is rightfully mine somehow. It is too bad for you to have been born a Mexican. I'll kill ya if you come on my greener lawn."


That's bullshit and you know it.

It has absolutely nothing to do with race and everything to do with economics, resources, and overshoot.

This isn't Germany or Japan (ie a racially/tribally homogeneous nation). The real racists in the US are a small minority made up of members of every ethnic group.

We're all (98% of us anyway) descendants of immigrants in this country and the majority of 'white americans' favor legal, controlled immigration. The current situation is something entirely different.

What is happening in the US now is a flood of economic refugees that is basically being ignored if not outright encouraged by our own government.

To the point that now folks are starting to get angry. The guys on the front lines knew it was *** up many years ago and were angry then. The anger and the realization that our government doesn't represent the interests of the American people is starting to bubble to the surface and you're seeing it expressed in many ways, some you don't happen to like.

I don't see the racist element of the illegal immigration discussion, unless of course you would like to discuss La Raza and their blatantly racist philosophy. Their official title: National Council on The Race. Racism is ensconced in their organization even in its title.

http://www.nclr.org/

Perhaps you should educate yourself on all sides of this issue rather than passing judgment on a whole group of people with whom you apparently have little contact and of whom you posses little first hand knowledge.

I don't give a shit if you like the truth or not. It does not change the fact that it is true.

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Re: Uncle Sam says

Postby eastbay » Thu 30 Apr 2009, 12:39:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')It's a compelling argument... and one that guarantees not only sustained levels of immigration, but an order of magnitude increase across the board.



It is not only the replacement levels of the aged but also the skill level of the work required when we are forced into localization of our economies. If you go to any developing country you will see thousands of cottage industries in any large town; carpenters, blacksmiths, mechanics, shops rebuilding alternators, engines, farmers, potters, tailors, bricklayers, appliance repair, computer repair, air conditioning repair, recycling, etc. etc.

In the future planning forums we discuss the importance of the relocalization of our regional economies in a post peak oil world and the need to make things again in the US.

Well, who has the skill level required to do this. A third generation suburbanite working in the service consumer economy or a migrant Mexican?

I have been saying this for years......if it comes down to a lifeboat strategy I want to have a lot of people of color in my lifeboat......not just a bunch of socially dysfunctional whining caucasians!

Who is really prepared to do the heavy lifting?


Wow, this may be the most racist thing I've read here. Right to the top. Nothing personal, mind you, but I'm sure we'll be reading and hearing more and more such racist nonsense as the economy deteriorates and the process of scapegoating accelerates.

It's all part of the process. Listen to the words: Whites are too lazy. Mexicans are too lazy. Blacks are too lazy. It's going to be a rough ride, that's for sure.
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