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The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby mattduke » Wed 22 Apr 2009, 21:54:54

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')One has an undoubted right to resist an unlawful arrest, and courts will uphold the right of resistance in proper cases.”

United States Supreme Court, United States v. Di Re, 1948.

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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby Cloud9 » Wed 22 Apr 2009, 21:59:51

At this point in time it is not wise to resist arrest whether it be lawful or unlawful.

The lawfulness of the arrest would be more properly be determined by your attorny.

Screw around too much and you will get yourself killed.
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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Wed 22 Apr 2009, 23:14:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'A')t this point in time it is not wise to resist arrest whether it be lawful or unlawful.

The lawfulness of the arrest would be more properly be determined by your attorny.

Screw around too much and you will get yourself killed.


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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby Schmuto » Wed 22 Apr 2009, 23:18:24

1. The threshold for "reasonable" arrest is extremely low. The cops can essentially point to anything as a reason to question you, then point to your unreasonable answers as suspicious, and so on. Think about the average donkey sh-t eaters out there; they don't even question the fact that a cop doesn't have a right to interrogate you, command you, and so on, without proper basis in fact. So when you get your jury made up of 11 peers, this is how the story plays:

A. Respectful officer of the law asks guy to show ID.
B. Guy refuses to show ID.
C. Respectful officer of the law repeats request, citing "suspicious" behavior as the reason for the request.
D. Guy refuses again.
E. Respectful officer gives final warning.
F. Guy becomes verbally abusive at final warning.

DON'T TASE ME BRO.

Point is, unless you have video evidence, you're going to lose every time.

Most of the DSEs out there have no concept of liberty, and they will view you as the trouble maker for not yielding to the Officer's reasonable command.
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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 22 Apr 2009, 23:22:51

Yeah. Your right to resist unlawful arrest is one of those things that you end up arguing in court once the cops have burned down your house and killed half your family.
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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby eastbay » Wed 22 Apr 2009, 23:31:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'Y')eah. Your right to resist unlawful arrest is one of those things that your descendants end up arguing in court once the cops have burned down your house and killed half your family.


Fixed it for you, if you don't mind. :)
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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Wed 22 Apr 2009, 23:35:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', '
')A. Respectful officer of the law asks guy to show ID.
B. Guy refuses to show ID.
C. Respectful officer of the law repeats request, citing "suspicious" behavior as the reason for the request.
D. Guy refuses again.
E. Respectful officer gives final warning.
F. Guy becomes verbally abusive at final warning.

DON'T TASE ME BRO.
.


That guy deserved to be tazed. I think they should have shot the little punk while they were at it. the little bitch
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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby flapjax » Wed 22 Apr 2009, 23:42:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', '1'). The threshold for "reasonable" arrest is extremely low. The cops can essentially point to anything as a reason to question you, then point to your unreasonable answers as suspicious, and so on. Think about the average donkey sh-t eaters out there; they don't even question the fact that a cop doesn't have a right to interrogate you, command you, and so on, without proper basis in fact. So when you get your jury made up of 11 peers, this is how the story plays:

A. Respectful officer of the law asks guy to show ID.
B. Guy refuses to show ID.
C. Respectful officer of the law repeats request, citing "suspicious" behavior as the reason for the request.
D. Guy refuses again.
E. Respectful officer gives final warning.
F. Guy becomes verbally abusive at final warning.

DON'T TASE ME BRO.

Point is, unless you have video evidence, you're going to lose every time.

Most of the DSEs out there have no concept of liberty, and they will view you as the trouble maker for not yielding to the Officer's reasonable command.


LMAO! I actually admire the "Don't tase me, bro" kid. He had a pair. If Kerry had any nuggets he would have controlled the situation from the stage and humiliated the kid verbally.
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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby Blacksmith » Wed 22 Apr 2009, 23:46:12

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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby eastbay » Wed 22 Apr 2009, 23:47:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', '
')A. Respectful officer of the law asks guy to show ID.
B. Guy refuses to show ID.
C. Respectful officer of the law repeats request, citing "suspicious" behavior as the reason for the request.
D. Guy refuses again.
E. Respectful officer gives final warning.
F. Guy becomes verbally abusive at final warning.

DON'T TASE ME BRO.
.


That guy deserved to be tazed. I think they should have shot the little punk while they were at it. the little bitch


Idiot wanted to be either tazed or pepper sprayed. Cop checked the 'taze' box. I would have just pepper sprayed the little twerp. Moron asked for it IMO.
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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 23 Apr 2009, 00:29:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I')diot wanted to be either tazed or pepper sprayed. Cop checked the 'taze' box. I would have just pepper sprayed the little twerp. Moron asked for it IMO.


yeah. I agree. Remember though that he was in an auditorium full of people. If they'd sprayed him, the stuff would have gotten everywhere. The tazer was the right tool IMHO.
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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 23 Apr 2009, 01:54:42

Just remember this simple phrase:

Never get in the van.

You're dead if you get in anyway, so you really have nothing to lose.
The whole of human history is a refutation by experiment of the concept of "moral world order". - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby ForlornHope » Thu 23 Apr 2009, 09:35:35

'Patriotism(and by inference martyrs) is the last refuge of a scoundrel'.
Americans and American leaders of yore had many such sayings that have great relevance today.
Ask yourself, who determines what is lawful or not? National consensus? The police arresting you? The supreme court? The administrative branch of the federal govt? The President? You?
Power resides with those who have the ability to wield it, lawfully or not.
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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Fri 24 Apr 2009, 17:45:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'Y')eah. Your right to resist unlawful arrest is one of those things that you end up arguing in court once the cops have burned down your house and killed half your family.


And what about unlawful use of lethal force? If a police officer makes an attempt to rob you and is using force to get you to comply, you damn well should have the right to shoot them.
The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the old growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder. ~Thomas Jefferson
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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 24 Apr 2009, 21:19:29

Yeah, and what if the police officer is stalking you and just wants you dead? It might not be a real police officer...

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BTW, would the Enterprise or the Galactica win in a fight?

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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 24 Apr 2009, 22:00:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'A')nd what about unlawful use of lethal force? If a police officer makes an attempt to rob you and is using force to get you to comply, you damn well should have the right to shoot them.


Yeah. You do. But it also is worth considering that in that situation there are almost certainly going to be dozens of other cops involved very quickly and they are NOT going to side with you. You shoot a cop, regardless of what he did to provoke it, and you better believe that if you happen to live through the event you will still be having flashbacks about it 30 years later. Far better to part with your stuff and live another day. Even facing a street tough, you never "win" a gun battle. You may survive, but you're going to be hating life with lawsuits, trials, lawyer bills, etc. The same is true times ten if you get victimized by a cop.
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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Fri 24 Apr 2009, 23:14:54

It would be a draw with both ships destroyed.

galactica could withstand everything from the exterior, but without shields... the enterprise could just teleport nukes inside.
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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 18:08:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'C')an we get back to reality now?


Such events have happened in the city where I live, right here in the U.S. Things are collapsing faster than you might be aware.

It is a very good idea to get a webcam installed in your car, and have a video feed to at least two computers or a cell phone/IPOD/ect.

The police here are largely underpaid for the sort of danger that they are exposed to, and corruption with regard to gangs/drugs is pervasive; I personally wouldn't be surprised if at least 10% of the police force were engaged in some sort of drug trade, and given the conditions they are exposed to, I can't honestly blame all of them for their choices. Slightly over a year ago, a Sheriff in Laredo was even kidnapped and beheaded by a cartel.
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Re: The Right To Resist Unlawful Arrest

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Wed 27 Oct 2010, 01:51:52

About that sheriff beheading, this was something I had heard from a former coworker in 2008. I should have verified whether that was true before posting that, and I didn't. I have not been able to find an article on it; this person was probably making a joke and I didn't realize it, or it was some urban myth that has been going around(ala the cartel beheading victims found in Arizona, which turned out to be false).

That being said, I was the victim of illegal police action in October of 2009. My car was impounded for fictitious reasons, the charges were dropped, but I still had to pay court costs and impound fees... When I got the car out of the impound lot, there was cocaine smeared all over the back seat; the same cops that impounded it came looking for the cocaine later after I had cleaned it. I hope someone shoots those fuckers. Police like such give them all a bad reputation.
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