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My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Fri 17 Apr 2009, 17:03:52

They have a gate. Which for a while didn't work, and all sorts of effort was put into maintaining the gate. Once I told the poor beleaguered HOA president at the time (who ended up moving out of the place) that I didn't see the value of having the gate. She said it was why a lot of people moved here, for the gate.

That just boggled me, as if someone really wanted in here that little gate wouldn't stop anyone. Not to mention people could just walk onto anyone's place, since we can't have fences in front of our properties and you just have a creek between the street and the back of the neighborhood. But whatever.

One of my neighbors was all bent out of shape because kids were TP'ing her house, and she called the police about it. They told her they weren't going to do anything about it since she lived in a gated community, that they should find out who was doing it.

So she says "well, what if they're coming in from the outside?"

(Never mind the absurdity of calling the police over some kids TP'ing your house: gotta suspend the disbelief here. I assure you this is real.)

She was told that if the gate isn't "kept locked" (her words) at all times, then she was letting them in. Of course she was all up in arms and demanded that the gate not be left open at the normal going in /out times (how it's been set to reduce congestion at those times). Needless to say that didn't happen. :roll:

So anyways, the board members of the HOA put out a newsletter every month ... I kid you not:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')eminder – all residents are expected to maintain their lawn edge in a manner to keep grass from growing into and damaging the road. May I suggest using permanent vegetation killer 2x/year and then weedwacking for cleanup after it has had time for effectiveness. Further, please be considerate of your neighbors with regard to weed control in your lawn. While routine chemical spraying may not be your choice for weed control, please remember weed seeds spread. Routine mowing and flower bed maintenance are expected from all residents in a neighborhood in which homes are all above $250,000 to maintain value in the neighborhood.


Get that? Those little flowers in your yard will cause plunging home values and make someone not buy the house your neighbor is flipping. Never mind that we're in a depression.

It's all about money.

Want proof? Well this weekend is the weekend every year that there's no fee to have a yard sale. All up and down this posh place, people are selling their crap. And you know what? Those gates stand wide open ALL WEEKEND LONG and no one cares one bit about it.

This place is insane.
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby bencole » Fri 17 Apr 2009, 17:23:01

Oklahoma has nicer weather than Canada. :)
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby Jotapay » Fri 17 Apr 2009, 17:42:14

I will never live under a HOA. My neighborhood in Austin is very middle of the road in the city, and very cheap compared to many areas in the country (~$185K avg) and still quite respectful and nice. I intentionally bought a house in a cheaper neighborhood so I didn't have to deal with freaking neighborhood Nazis. It's like heaven here.

I threw about 4 pounds of wildflower seed mix into my front yard about 2 years ago and turned about 1/3 of my front yard into a wildflower meadow under the oak trees. Of course I can't mow it until early July when the seeds drop and reseed the flowers. An HOA would have had a fit. I think I'm going to buy another 6 pounds or so of seed and convert the rest of the yard too.
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby Dawn » Fri 17 Apr 2009, 17:53:25

We have enough rules to live by as it is...

I know a couple who bought a home in a place like yours. They have a building code that said that their gutters had to be copper and well that's expensive. So, they bought gutters and were planning to paint them to look like copper. One of their neighbors turned them into the HOA. For the love of... What in the heck is wrong with people? Really, I'd like to know.
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby Caffeine » Fri 17 Apr 2009, 18:17:11

I wonder how RSG's neighbors would react in an Argentina-style hyperinflationary scenario?
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby JJ » Fri 17 Apr 2009, 18:22:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'I') will never live under a HOA. My neighborhood in Austin is very middle of the road in the city, and very cheap compared to many areas in the country (~$185K avg) and still quite respectful and nice. I intentionally bought a house in a cheaper neighborhood so I didn't have to deal with freaking neighborhood Nazis. It's like heaven here.

I threw about 4 pounds of wildflower seed mix into my front yard about 2 years ago and turned about 1/3 of my front yard into a wildflower meadow under the oak trees. Of course I can't mow it until early July when the seeds drop and reseed the flowers. An HOA would have had a fit. I think I'm going to buy another 6 pounds or so of seed and convert the rest of the yard too.


Where are you? I lived in Northwest hills for awhile, south Austin for awhile, Bull creek and 45th for awhile. What I noticed was the same amount of crime no matter the dollar value.
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 17 Apr 2009, 18:30:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')I threw about 4 pounds of wildflower seed mix into my front yard about 2 years ago and turned about 1/3 of my front yard into a wildflower meadow under the oak trees. Of course I can't mow it until early July when the seeds drop and reseed the flowers. An HOA would have had a fit. I think I'm going to buy another 6 pounds or so of seed and convert the rest of the yard too.



That's fantastic! :-D
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Fri 17 Apr 2009, 18:32:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dawn', 'W')e have enough rules to live by as it is... I know a couple who bought a home in a place like yours. They have a building code that said that their gutters had to be copper and well that's expensive. So, they bought gutters and were planning to paint them to look like copper. One of their neighbors turned them into the HOA. For the love of... What in the heck is wrong with people? Really, I'd like to know.

What will they do after the Chinese buy up all the copper?
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 17 Apr 2009, 18:47:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Caffeine', 'I') wonder how RSG's neighbors would react in an Argentina-style hyperinflationary scenario?


The proper term is FerFalocalypse, thank you :)
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby dinopello » Fri 17 Apr 2009, 18:54:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', ' ') I intentionally bought a house in a cheaper neighborhood so I didn't have to deal with freaking neighborhood Nazis. It's like heaven here.


It's not always a matter of price. A lot of times it's the newer developments or ones by a particular builder regardless of home price that have the crazy HOA.

The average price in my hood is well over 500K but the houses are small and old unless the have been rennovated (and a growing number have). The houses, mostly built between 1900 and 1935 are all different styles, colors, yard configurations etc. It would be impossible to establish any kind of standard or rule about anything.

We also live walking distance to metro and bars and restaurants so we always have "outsiders" walking around.

It is a regular ritual to calm down new arrivals from some gated community from the exurbs who moved in for the walkability and access to the city. They always want to close roads, report "strangers", get so and so to blow their leaves or clean their driveway or whatever.

A friend of mine who lived in one of the worst HOA's (Reston) was telling us a story over dinner about the HOA nazi who wouldn't let him sell his house because a shed that he had that backed up to woods was painted an illegal shade of brown.
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby dunewalker » Fri 17 Apr 2009, 19:29:54

My "Plan B" retreat is in a gated community in the coast range of northern California. It's mostly recreational cabins/summer homes with few year-round residents. Actually it's a gated community within a larger subdivision. The only fees or restrictions are $125 per year per parcel for road maintenance of the 4 mile unpaved gravel road. No restrictions--most of the structures have been built illegally, no building permits, may or may not be to code, but nobody cares. The gate is to be kept ALWAYS locked (combo lock) and it is. When too many outsiders/"friends" learn the combo, it is changed, every few years, with plenty of announcement. The neighbors are free to wander on each others' places, check for storm damage, etc. Since the subdivision is in the middle of the infamous "emerald triangle" there is potential for problems, but for the past 28 years there have been few. That might change with the collapsing economy. The former owner of the parcel I'm partners in wrote an online book called "Sacred Mountain, Sacred River" describing his life up there...
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Fri 17 Apr 2009, 20:05:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Caffeine', 'I') wonder how RSG's neighbors would react in an Argentina-style hyperinflationary scenario?
The proper term is FerFalocalypse, thank you :)

:lol: Yeah, I don't know. Most of them would probably freak out. I posted a free organic gardening class on our neighborhood forum last year and got no takers. :(

Sadly, the only one who seems to have have much sense is the husband of the TP'd house, who actually grows vegetables -- with all the chemicals but at least he's growing something. We always vowed never to live in an HOA ... but life, it seems, had other plans for us.

I'm just quietly planting my ornamental edibles and keeping my mouth shut.
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby Jotapay » Fri 17 Apr 2009, 21:28:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'W')here are you? I lived in Northwest hills for awhile, south Austin for awhile, Bull creek and 45th for awhile. What I noticed was the same amount of crime no matter the dollar value.


In the 'Arboretum' area. Where Duval Road intersects MOPAC freeway. I own one of the very first homes built in this area, way before the neighborhoods were put in. The section of my neighborhood was named after the family that originally owned and built my house in the 1950s.

My neighborhood has about 10x fewer burglaries than the other comparably priced neighborhoods I was looking at. It's just a really safe neighborhood that also happens to be reasonably priced. It also is about 1 mile from the new light rail line in Austin.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')I threw about 4 pounds of wildflower seed mix into my front yard about 2 years ago and turned about 1/3 of my front yard into a wildflower meadow under the oak trees.


That's fantastic! :-D


I'm pretty nerdy about my wildflowers. I like 'em. People walking in the neighborhood will stop and check them out. I really don't care for the St. Augustine grass that was in my yard at all. I've never been the kind of person who adheres to established conventions if I think there is a good reason to do something completely different, so the carpet grass got replaced. :)
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby Chaparral » Fri 17 Apr 2009, 21:53:05

The problem with being a HOA nazi is that the night is long and dark and one can't be everywhere all the time to enforce the "rules". Many a "ghetto" neighborhood in the Los Angeles area has anecdotal stories of certain "undesirables" being forced out because the locals, rightly or wrongly, perceived a gentrification threat and did not want to be forced out by such. Any extra layer of governance is wholly unwelcome in my book.

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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby stonecypher » Fri 17 Apr 2009, 23:40:41

"We always vowed never to live in an HOA ... but life, it seems, had other plans for us."

RedStateGreen, you have my TOTAL sympathy and understanding! We are battle-scarred veterans of Sudden Valley, a huge HOA neighborhood in Washington State, where our community leaders filled their retirement hours cruising the streets in their golf carts, seeking architectural violations and opportunities to lecture. We actually started fearing "the knock on the door" and what we'd get in the mail. And two different neighbors reported us for minor violations of the endless rules for living life there, resulting in fines we had to pay. (It would have cost more for a lawyer to fight them.)

NEVER AGAIN. We'll buy a gas-sucking RV and live on the road first. And, when we buy property, the first thing we're going to tell our agent is NO CCR'S, RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, OR HOA'S! :x

Misery is supposed to love company, so check out the stories on these sites:

http://nohoa.com/

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/real-e ... rrors1.asp

We hope life has NEW, HOA-FREE plans for you soon! :)
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Sat 18 Apr 2009, 10:08:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dawn', 'W')e have enough rules to live by as it is...

I know a couple who bought a home in a place like yours. They have a building code that said that their gutters had to be copper and well that's expensive. So, they bought gutters and were planning to paint them to look like copper. One of their neighbors turned them into the HOA. For the love of... What in the heck is wrong with people? Really, I'd like to know.


What will they do after the Chinese buy up all the copper?

Reverse Engineer


i've got enough copper for maybe one set of gutters but i sure wouldn't waste it on gutters.
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 18 Apr 2009, 10:29:44

I'm stuck in HOA for a few more years. The Associations job seems to worry about ticketing residents for garbage containers left outside overnight, parking infractions and dog poop.

Last year they did some stripping for parking. I forget to move my car so management gave me a $50 ticket. I confronted 'them' and was told if I didn't pay the fine, they would put a lean on my place.

Also the board just pissed away thousands on 'new bylaws'. In order for them to take effect 70% of the ppl would have to agree. Of course it didn't pass. Everyone that's not on the board hates these ass-holes.
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby Maddog78 » Sat 18 Apr 2009, 10:42:22

I've heard a few stories before about these HOA's and these in here just confirm them.

I hope I never end up living in one of these areas. I'll make every effort not to.
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sat 18 Apr 2009, 10:50:25

It just absolutely baffles me why someone would willingly move to a place like that.
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Re: My crazy neighborhood (a rant)

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 18 Apr 2009, 10:53:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I')t just absolutely baffles me why someone would willingly move to a place like that.


Lower cost housing for me - townhouse. I couldn't afford living in this area otherwise.
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