[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')The way I see it (or the way it's practiced today), permaculture is just another gardening technique, not dissimilar to biointensive, sustainable organic, etc. I have yet to see a real-life implementation that's more productive than other backyard gardens. Most are hippie gimmicks.

[Quinny]

1st aim improve the land/soil

2nd aim produce food

[SeaGypsy]

Bill Mollison was asked in about 1995 what he thought about his term 'Permaculture' being bandied around and how he could simplify the definition. His answer:

"All I did was plant what I wanted to plant wherever I wanted to plant it; most of it died. Some of it didn't and some of it did really well. All I did was note what did well."

The main argument against permaculture is that it spreads weeds.

The main argument for permaculture is that the weeds are edible.

[deMolay]

Thanks for the funny answer RE. At least you still have a sense of humour. But the only think that will be wound up in that net will be RE. Hungry Zombies will roll up your net and stuff it you know where on your anatomy. And you will flop around on the cabin floor like a Ling Cod for a few hours while they gorge themselves on your food stash. Then they will remember you and heave you outside on the snowbank and return to your warm bunk for a well deserved nap. Haven't seen any salmon here in extreme Northern Alberta were the Buffalo, Elk, Woverine, Badger, Linx, Bobcat, Grizzly Bear, Black Bear, Caribou, Mountain Lion, Deer, Moose Roam. But I will keep my eye open. Anything is better than Whitefish.

[deMolay]

When I was a young whippersnapper, I used to roam the mountains of BC. I had a Thompson Indian buddy there that used to take me salmon fishing on the Fraser River when the salmon were running. They used a net with weights and a clothesline type of setup to get the net out into the river. Very simple really. But the best part was cooking and smoking the fish right on the riverbank. No the best part was eating them right off the fire. Hot smoked fresh salmon right off the fire. Gorge on salmon then crawl into your sleeping bag right by the campfire.

[evgeny]

"In a situation where the economy is losing 600 thousand new jobs every week, generating jobs in some sectors of the new vanity, - the analyst considers CIG Vladimir Rozhankovsky. "All the more so that the Obama plan included in its election program, Initiative for the notorious building bridges and roads, infrastructure, in fact so far and left the words" - he said Bfm.ru.

Recall that in 2008 the U.S. government twice extended benefits. Make it once again will be difficult. Since each of the nearly 6 million workers will have to pay 350 dollars a week, a month it costs the budget $ 8 billion. Accordingly, even a week-long extension will cost the U.S. treasury at $ 2 billion.

Experts doubt that the White House is ready for such costs. And about what the army is capable of multi-Americans angry, left without means of subsistence, can only guess. Note that the environment is dominated by laid-off are not Anglo-Saxon law-abiding, and more prone to the expressive will of blacks and Latin Americans.

Interestingly, a few months ago, an American scientist Geralt Selente predicted such developments. Head of the Institute research trends glorified that accurately predicted the collapse of stock markets in 1987, the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Asian crisis of 1997. For this it is nicknamed the modern Nostradamus. Now, he predicted the end of U.S. world leadership. The country's economy, believes the scientist is unable to feed its population, and the unstable situation in the currency markets will create problems in international trade. According to experts, a few years, the main value in the United States will be food. Selente expects the country are waiting for the hungry riots that may culminate in revolution.

[ColossalContrarian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', '
')Rich under attack

http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=13405314

[nobodypanic]

anyone paying attention to thailand?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hai protesters smashed their way into a major Asian summit on Saturday, forcing the country's embattled prime minister to cancel the meeting and evacuate foreign leaders by helicopter.
Premier Abhisit Vejjajiva declared a state of emergency in the beach resort of Pattaya after thousands stormed the summit, which was supposed to focus on the financial crisis and North Korea's rocket launch.

Choppers plucked dignitaries from the roof of the luxury hotel venue after the red-shirted supporters of ousted Thai leader Thaksin Shinawatra caused chaos by breaching police lines, breaking down glass doors and streaming into the building unopposed.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ColossalContrarian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', '
')Rich under attack

http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=13405314

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')The way I see it (or the way it's practiced today), permaculture is just another gardening technique, not dissimilar to biointensive, sustainable organic, etc. I have yet to see a real-life implementation that's more productive than other backyard gardens. Most are hippie gimmicks.

[Quinny]

Are you talking about Molva Molva [url]web.ukonline.co.uk/aquarium/pages/ling.html[/url]

That's definately saltwater! Firsttime I fished for them I was amazed at the homemade lures/pirks. an 8in x 1in steel tube cut off at angle with large hooks on one end and large swivel the other, totally unattractive, but cheap as chips to make. I lowered it into the water with no expectation of anything liking the look of it. Straight into a fair size ling, couldn't believe it.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'L')ingcod tend to grow pretty big because they avoid areas where commercial longline fishermen troll their lines. Longlines don't troll well when the underwater ground is very rocky and not flat. In the Gulf of Alaska by Valdez, its quite a steep drop off the mountains and down into the water. Occassionally you pull up 60 pound lingcod, even a rare 70 pound one. Most are around 30-40 pounds though. One of my State Trooper friends has a boat and we go out once or twice during the summer fishing for them. Its a gas powered boat, but you easily could sail over there in a day.

I'm personally a Salmon nut, and get most of my Salmon by netting when the run comes in. You have a catch limit, but in a week you can easily catch enough protein to last the year. I have it smoked by the local Matanuska Meats people, they do a good job. I dry some for Jerky also.

Reverse Engineer

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'A')re you talking about Molva Molva [url]web.ukonline.co.uk/aquarium/pages/ling.html[/url]

That's definately saltwater! Firsttime I fished for them I was amazed at the homemade lures/pirks. an 8in x 1in steel tube cut off at angle with large hooks on one end and large swivel the other, totally unattractive, but cheap as chips to make. I lowered it into the water with no expectation of anything liking the look of it. Straight into a fair size ling, couldn't believe it.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow many here besides me and RE have eaten Lingcod?

[seahorse2]

Lots of states are now moving to enforce their independence from the Federal gov't under the 10th Amendment, which secures certain state rights. This is an interesting move politically, one that is probably little understood. It has many causes, economic downturn, bailouts, and shows a continuing rift between "red" states and "blue" states. Leading this move, is the State of Texas.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Independence of Texas? Ha!

Among the many 'tea parties' that were held on Tax Day, April 15th this year, the one here in Texas that had republicorp governor Rick Perry seems to be the one garnering the most attention. Sporting headlines like "Perry fires up anti-tax crowd" the coverage seems to me to be a major distraction from the country's immediate problems at hand which are largely economic and environmental in nature; not to mention the need to figure out how to build a sustainable economic not just from the balance sheet perspective, but also to live within limits of resources.

Fanned by headlines coming from outfits like Fox News ( "Governor Says Texans May Want to Secede From Union But Probably Won't") the reports would seem to suggest that Texas is really planning to demand accountability from the Obama administration, especially when it comes to federal spending.


But wait! Something doesn't quite feel right about such stories. I think I might know why: This has all the appearances of good 'street theatre'. Wonder why I think that?

In case you hadn't noticed, the Johnny-coming-lately 'patriotic fervor' which has supposedly driven Texas government to threaten to send troops to the Mexican Border, and now this latest independence talk, seems to have arrived concurrently with president Obama's election to the White House. But where were Rick Perry and his cohorts during the Bush reign? I didn't hear about Rick Perry mobilizing state resources to build a border fence then....

I also seem to remember the Perry folks were supporting the Trans-Texas Corridor, which has WorldNetDaily headlined back in 2006 at "Trans-Texas Corridor paved with campaign contributions?" This is a mirage project: When too much reporting and opposition pops up, it's shelved, only to be reincarnated under different names within a month or two...quite amusing, actually.


For another, Texas has been busily selling off lucrative Texas tollway operations to private contractors under the guise of small government. Yeah, I know, "How does that work? Taxpayers foot the bill for highways to get built and then the state sells off operating rights to private outfits?" And when talk surfaces in Washington about legislation that would bar private operation of any highway built with federal dollars, state boyz seem to get all worked up...well of course!


Fine questions all...but here's the simple point of this morning's first item: When I see folks out whipping up the 'tea party' sentiment, I ask myself "Is this part of a sincere, ongoing effort that was spawned before the Bushco republicorps lost first sitting at the teat of lobbyists? Or, has it arisen more recently?

Pardon my pointing this out, but seems to me that it's more bluster and braggadocio...Why weren't Perry et all defending our border and not selling off roads when you-know-who was in DC? Couldn't be that this is just more hype and BS designed to keep folks from thinking about the real issues? I mean like "Follow the money" or government by high bidders now, could it?

Meantime, all this frenzy whipping has folks wondering if Rick Perry maybe doesn't have higher aspirations politically. Stories like "Rick Perry: Tea party darling" hint in that direction.

In the bigger scheme of things, this is all such a charade; the right versus left retooled with new issues all the while behind the scenes, the folks with the money are pulling the strings to make sure their have versus have-not's games continue unobstructed. Change? My butt.

The hell of it is - it seems to be working. I'll just let ya'll get sucked into the partisan game...have fun.

[seahorse2]

Another article on Texas and the 10th Amendment.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment
HCR 50 Reiterates Texas’ Rights Over Powers Not Otherwise Granted to Federal Government
April 09, 2009
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AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry today joined state Rep. Brandon Creighton and sponsors of House Concurrent Resolution (HCR) 50 in support of states’ rights under the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

“I believe that our federal government has become oppressive in its size, its intrusion into the lives of our citizens, and its interference with the affairs of our state,” Gov. Perry said. “That is why I am here today to express my unwavering support for efforts all across our country to reaffirm the states’ rights affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I believe that returning to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution and its essential 10th Amendment will free our state from undue regulations, and ultimately strengthen our Union.”

A number of recent federal proposals are not within the scope of the federal government’s constitutionally designated powers and impede the states’ right to govern themselves. HCR 50 affirms that Texas claims sovereignty under the 10th Amendment over all powers not otherwise granted to the federal government.

It also designates that all compulsory federal legislation that requires states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties, or that requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding, be prohibited or repealed.

HCR 50 is authored by Representatives Brandon Creighton, Leo Berman, Bryan Hughes, Dan Gattis and Ryan Guillen.

To view the full text of the resolution, please visit:

[evgeny]

Texas Governor Rick Perry threatened that state to unilaterally withdraw from the country if the White House will continue to smother his taxes.

According to the U.S., a wave of protests against tax increases. The most scandalous was a campaign in Austin - the capital of Texas. It was Governor Rick Perry said that residents of Texas should not suffer from the problems of the United States and called on the White House to reconsider the policy of taxation subjects. Otherwise, he promised, the state withdraw from the country.

'We have a lot of different scenarios. Taxes - this is a national problem. Our staff has joined the State in 1845 voluntarily. This means that we can detach and, if determined to do so, - said Governor. - We have a great country, and we have no reason to dissolve our union. But if Washington continue to poke his nose in the affairs of the people of the United States, understand what may be a result of all this. Texas - a unique place, very independent in spirit '.

Partners

This statement was no accident. First, the state is constitutionally 'special situation' in the United States and has the historical experience of existence as a separate republic. Secondly, there are strongest separatist sentiment. Local supporters of the state department did not even call it differently, as' The Republic of Texas'.

This bacillus separatism Perry, speaking at the rally, tried to infect other states, which he called upon to defend against unjustified attacks Washington for their rights. 'I believe that our federal government was arbitrary. Despotism is manifested in the size of government, its intrusion into the lives of citizens and intervene in the affairs of our state ', - said Perry. He also said that Texas has economic power, while Washington is going 'financial turmoil'. 'Millions tehastsev tired from the fact that Washington is trying to teach us how to manage Texas', - said Governor.

However, perhaps the Governor would have no raspalyalsya if not for elections, which he hopes tehastsy his re-election. However unlikely this may be regarded as a sedative. After all, one thing, when going to the election of a politician zatsiklilsya on separatism, and quite another thing when the crowd is not only nods approvingly to such policies, but also encourages the entry of the state of the country.

However, tehastsy in his quest to free itself from the 'center' is not alone. Not so long ago, representatives of the chiefs of North American Indian tribe Dakota (Sioux people) announced a break in the treaties that were signed more than 150 years ago with the U.S. government. They said that left the United States and preparing to open a diplomatic representation in other countries.

'We are no longer citizens of the United States, and all those who live in an area of five states, which covers the country, can join us "- said a long-time campaigner for the rights of Indians Russell out underneath. It said that the country Dakota (Lakota) includes parts of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming. Dakota Indians began fighting for independence in 1974, adopting a declaration of independence, like the Declaration of Independence United States from England.

In September, they supported the United Nations, which adopted the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, despite the resistance of the United States.

In the theme

Not so long ago, this sensation has made a forecast of professor and diplomat, Igor Panarin of the possibility of the break up of the United States into several parts. Sam prediction was made a long time ago, ten years ago, however, appeared in November 2008 in the newspaper 'Izvestia' (and then in the Wall Street Journal), produced the effect of break-bombs. According to the teacher the Diplomatic Academy of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, during a crisis the U.S. is waiting for the inevitable collapse of the six parts. States of the Pacific coast will be 'domain' of China, north-central - Canada, the southern states from New Mexico to Florida otoydut of Mexico, the oldest states of the east coast, may join the EU, Alaska again come to Russia.

[seahorse2]

Ron Paul, US Congressman, talks secession.

http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/21/ron-paul-secession-is-american/

State of Georgia (USA) senate talks about secession.

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2009/04/16/georgia-senate-threatens-dismantling-of-usa/?cxntfid=blogs_jay_bookman_blog

Interesting, when the Fed seems weak, the old rivalries seem to resurface. I guess the old saying "save your confederate dollars" may not have been a joke.

Now, seriously, you just can't make this stuff up and would have seem ludicrous just 2 years ago - these articles are starting to read like something out of the "Onion."

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'W')e know where you're going to be.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'W')e know where you're going to be.

[OutOfGas]

When the masses start pouring out of the cities it will become law of the jungle. Ownership will have little meaning.

People in rural agicultural areas will fare best.

Lets hope the breakdown does not happen.