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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby shortonsense » Thu 09 Apr 2009, 20:21:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('big goat', '
')Im not advocating this, but in my opinion Savinar was over the line. If you want to make a complaint to the California Bar you are probably justified. Knock yourself out.

Here is the form you will need:

http://calbar.ca.gov/calbar/pdfs/DispComp.pdf


Now THAT is brutal, paperworking the guy with possible censure when he really doesn't participate in that profession except to use it to try and scare people with?

I think his lifestyle some 5 years after getting a law degree is punishment enough for his inadequacies, don't you? Doesn't he actually have to do some LAWYER stuff before complaining about him to some sort of LAWYER review would mean anything anyway?
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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby Aaron » Thu 09 Apr 2009, 20:39:39

Fear not you legions of freedom speakers.

Fair use publishing is a central pillar of this websites philosophy.

And for the record, we are perfectly happy to delete any organization's content from this site upon request & without delay. If some publisher does not want us promoting their content and linking their site, we have no problem whatsoever withdrawing our support from said publisher, and removing their content.

No threats necessary... we are happy to comply.

Such efforts are of course an exercise in futility, unless your goal is to marginalize your own exposure to potential reader/clients, and ultimately failure to accomplish your goal of suppressing the use of your content without payment.

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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby big goat » Fri 10 Apr 2009, 12:21:00

I agree Short. Thats plenty enough for me. Like I said before, I wasnt advocating you do so, I just thought that if you were still hot after so many months of cool down time I would point to a possible retalitory measure, feel free to ignore my suggestion.

It is coming out now that this was an elaborate hoax aimed at LATOC, and that AP probably isnt even involved or aware of any of it. Check this out:

HOW I HOAXED LATOC INTO NEAR SUICIDE: link
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hen this strange dream had me, Pam/Bob, and a bunch of naked midgets making some prank calls. Well, sorta, in this vision I only made one call, that being to Matt. I saw myself in this dream telling him I was from the AP, in San Francisco, that it "had come to my attention" and made pointed references to imaginary doom coming from New York... but of course this is just a dream, and a bad one at that...

Put into context of the entire thread, I believe that the guys over at Illuminist.org staged all of this as an elaborate hoax for LATOC, and got astounding results that caused much of the forum there to be self deleted.

Those are some sharp cookies over there, and the LATOC crowd is so reactive that the results were predictable, and predicted precisely in the quoted thread weeks in advance. They even predicted the deleting of most of the forum posts, weeks in advance. Unbelievable, hilarious or sad depending on your perspective I guess.

But it was obviously a targeted hoax, and I strongly suspect AP or any other MSM outlet has no interest in the practices on this site as there is no actual cause and rationality preails to a degree that it would surely be futile for a hysterical cause to be manufactured, as it now appears was the case at LATOC.

Oh, the power of paranoia! It looks like it came back and bit them in the ass! They even have deleted most of the threads I linked in my first post.
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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby MattSavinar » Fri 10 Apr 2009, 13:51:47

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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby efarmer » Fri 10 Apr 2009, 14:34:49

Can I take a stab?

I have been filled with sphere for many moons and am afraid
I may lose the right to try angles.
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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby Bas » Fri 10 Apr 2009, 14:37:42

censorship will not happen as long as I'm here.
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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby threadbear » Fri 10 Apr 2009, 18:36:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', 'C')an I take a stab?

I have been filled with sphere for many moons and am afraid
I may lose the right to try angles.


Are you sirius? I thought it was a reference to Orion's belt.
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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby shortonsense » Fri 10 Apr 2009, 19:56:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('big goat', '
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Oh, the power of paranoia! It looks like it came back and bit them in the ass!

They even have deleted most of the threads I linked in my first post.


Really? Now I have to go back and check, they do have a bit of a reputation when it comes to erasing accounts, posts, random editing when one of the mods blurts out a little more than they should, that sort of stuff.

But I read all those links when you first posted them and it looked pretty tame.

The irony in all of this is LATOC is the biggest MSM blamer/hater in the PO universe, and not only do they have to blow away a majority of the entire site to get rid of all the links, quotes and excerpts to the MSM material, but if you check out the breaking news page and most of the links on it, its nearly exclusively MSM.

You might as well watch Fox News for all the different perspective they bring to the table.
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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby shortonsense » Fri 10 Apr 2009, 20:11:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'I') don't know what that means.


Isn't that the symbol for the boy-man love organization?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '
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Did you have a backup, Matt?


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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby big goat » Fri 10 Apr 2009, 21:33:05

I would think that reading this link, and then noting all the references to forest gnomes and naked migets that it is a reasonable assumption that Matt no longer wanted to display an avatar of a miget, changing his avatar to the symbol he posted above, which is now his avatar on LATOC.

http://dennisfromoregon.com/forum/index ... c=1627.195

I also think it reasonable to believe that the posts erased from the links posted earlier were done in sheer embarassment.

I would certainly be embarrassed if I deleted most of my forum in a hysterical fit of paranoia. To me it looks like he is just covering the tracks, pretending it didnt happen.

I think the folks over at Illuminist.org are pretty much done with him at this point, as he fell into what sure looks like their trap hook, line, and sinker, and payed a pretty steep price at that.
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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby shortonsense » Fri 10 Apr 2009, 22:29:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('big goat', '
')I also think it reasonable to believe that the posts erased from the links posted earlier were done in sheer embarassment.


Oh...I think its way beyond just embarassment at this point. Just imagine what an alumni reunion must look like at this point, all those lawyers wheeling up in their SUV's and Beemers ( the fuel for which is supposed to have disappeared by now, right? ), regaling roomfulls of lawyers with their greatest escapades, the tobacco company they collected a few billion from, or the refinery they put out of business through class action cancer lawsuits.

And when its Matts turn, he says ( I'm guessing here folks! )..."Well guys, I became so terrified over the possibility of another lawyer calling me up and asking me to take down some links that in a panic I wiped out years of archives, posts, good information and everything else I could find in a desperate attempt to not actually be confronted by an actual practicing attorney like you guys!"

Like I said, we're way beyond embarassment I figure.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigGoat', '
')I would certainly be embarrassed if I deleted most of my forum in a hysterical fit of paranoia. To me it looks like he is just covering the tracks, pretending it didnt happen.


There could be another reason. I have seen it speculated on elsewhere that his attempts to sell, now erase, the website, might be an obvious scheme to try and get back to a regular life? A little more SUV and Beemer collecting and a little less public transport? A bigger apartment, maybe a decent TV, something to eat besides spaghetti-o's? Call me crazy, but how many years can a regular person spend WAITING for something to happen, have it happen twice, and it turns out that all the cool aftereffects meant to dish out Gods wrath to the yuppies of the world DON'T HAPPEN!!!!

I'd be pretty steamed, irritated, SOMETHING for having blown all that time...
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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby Aaron » Sat 11 Apr 2009, 07:54:24

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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 11 Apr 2009, 09:31:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '[')img]http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Archives2009/symbol.jpg[/img]


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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby shortonsense » Sat 11 Apr 2009, 10:09:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '[')img]http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Archives2009/symbol.jpg[/img]


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That symbol represents a bad Wesley Snipes movie?
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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby big goat » Sat 11 Apr 2009, 13:12:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'A')nd when its Matts turn, he says ( I'm guessing here folks! )..."Well guys, I became so terrified over the possibility of another lawyer calling me up and asking me to take down some links that in a panic I wiped out years of archives, posts, good information and everything else I could find in a desperate attempt to not actually be confronted by an actual practicing attorney like you guys!"


I am wondering, given the association of some of the membership of Illuminist.org with the Yes Men, if the AP lawyer that called was actually an AP lawyer at all.

I think perhaps not.

I did a little math last night. Going thru the forums stat history and adding up all the posts made to that time by the month I came up with the figure of 622,536 total posts. Noting the current (at that time) number of posts from the main stat ticker there are 166,941 posts I figure that 455,595 posts were axed. Of course thats not precise, as the number of posts keep going up, but its a good ballpark figure.

Its safe to say that at least 450,000 posts evaporated.

I think it reasonable to claim that paranoia just killed all those posts. It appears someone is drinking too much of their own Kool-Aid.

LATOC Kool-Aid is now a documentable cause of temporary insanity; at least that is what I am getting out of this.
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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby yesplease » Sat 11 Apr 2009, 20:19:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '[')img]http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Archives2009/symbol.jpg[/img]


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That symbol represents a bad Wesley Snipes movie?
Not just one, but one bad movie to rule them all, one bad movie to find them...
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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby big goat » Sat 11 Apr 2009, 20:34:47

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Perhaps we should just all go home, donate to UNICEF.

Its looking like a bad day.
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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 11 Apr 2009, 20:59:34

Well say what you want about Savinar, he's still done a good job of getting people to reflect on the issue of epochal change of all kinds; climatic, energy, economic, etc... So--be nice.
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Re: Censorship of PO

Unread postby shortonsense » Sat 11 Apr 2009, 21:43:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'W')ell say what you want about Savinar, he's still done a good job of getting people to reflect on the issue of epochal change of all kinds; climatic, energy, economic, etc... So--be nice.


In 2004, on this site, Matt used an example of how the end was closing in around us because of basic social disintergration, the example being the theft of diesel from farmers in California.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/22/us/california-thieves-prey-on-farms-diesel-fuel.html?sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

So, 5 years later, do you think Matt, using common examples of various and sundry thievery in the news, a practice which he continues to this day, and the practice of which apparently recently caused him to erase 2/3's of his website out of some sort of irrational fear, is telling us about "epochal change", or just referencing stories in the news so that his readers will continue reading, AND BUYING, stuff from his site?

If Matt actually BELIEVED in the epochal change you reference, do you think he would be afraid of being sued by the MSM, when there are more important things to worry about? ( zombies, nukes, fedghetto's, starvation, gingivitis ) In 5 years since he became peak aware, and critical of modern urban areas, don't you think he would have LEFT his by now? If his investing advice, again referenced at this site by a comment ( and now I'm paraphrasing ) "if I had $1000 to invest in silver I could buy my doomstead by now" had been worth anything, don't you think he WOULD have, if he believed in what he advocates?

Sorry...until someone can show me how scaring people into a specific type of consumerism ( buy MY stuff, not THEIR stuff ) which is financially beneficial to the scarer, and detrimental to the financial health of the scaree, has more societal relevance than personal financial relevance, I just don't see this as "epochal change" or getting people to do more than "reflect" with their wallets in a specific, and targeted, direction.
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