[Ludi]

That was quite the opposite from an ad hominem attack, actually. I was saying that his observations may be quite accurate and original on some things, not on others. It's up to us to sort the wheat from the chaff.

[Wildwell]

I've lost faith in this whole growth argument which is central to much of these concepts- I do wonder about people's crudentials with this stuff. I'm not saying anyone is going out their way to form a scam, but there is a propotion of the Peak oil crowd which acts in a cult like manner, some if it has political overtones.

Verdict

1. The concept of peak oil is very likely to be real and production will peak at some point, from now to 2042.

2. The limits of growth stuff is nonsense if the whole picture in taken into account.

3. Peak oil is a transport problem maily for airlines and to an extent private cars, I do not subscribe to the die-off theory.

I don't think I have anything else to add.

[linlithgowoil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')erdict

1. The concept of peak oil is very likely to be real and production will peak at some point, from now to 2042.

2. The limits of growth stuff is nonsense if the whole picture in taken into account.

3. Peak oil is a transport problem maily for airlines and to an extent private cars, I do not subscribe to the die-off theory.

I don't think I have anything else to add.

[sjn]

Are you guys serious? Are you suggesting the world can handle an unlimited number of people and their associated environmental impact? Economic growth is a measure of population growth combined with the (productive) activity of that population. Since "productive" activity in the global economy is largely provided by "consumers", I think the impact on resources and the environment (both of which can be considered energy) is obvious.

Oil isn't a luxury, as regions become depleted of resources and incur environmental damage it becomes necessary to compensate by procuring resources from outside or using energy intensive methods to produce these resources (through the use of oil and other fossil fuels). This includes food and water - something most people I think would agree is quite important to maintaining a population.

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', 'A')re you guys serious? Are you suggesting the world can handle an unlimited number of people and their associated environmental impact? Economic growth is a measure of population growth combined with the (productive) activity of that population. Since "productive" activity in the global economy is largely provided by "consumers", I think the impact on resources and the environment (both of which can be considered energy) is obvious.

Oil isn't a luxury, as regions become depleted of resources and incur environmental damage it becomes necessary to compensate by procuring resources from outside or using energy intensive methods to produce these resources (through the use of oil and other fossil fuels). This includes food and water - something most people I think would agree is quite important to maintaining a population.