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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 04 Apr 2009, 21:10:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'j')ust finished a search of moneynews and newsmax... noting there to match this article.

Unless you furnish a "forum"' to cite this from, I will disreguard it myself as email hysteria spam.


You need to brush up on your Google Search skills 48. Took me one try to find this one.

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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby deMolay » Sat 04 Apr 2009, 21:58:59

Yah RE that is where I picked it up. On the LATOC forum. They are very leftwing over there and banned me for dissing Obama. They are hardcore Bedpissing handwringing Useful Idiots. All I said was that Obama was like the Fat Kid on The Farside Cartoon "School For the Gifted" Were the Fat kid is trying to push the door in when it opens out. And they banned me. But I will stand by the original post as fact. Because Canada and the USA have signed an agreement to sent troops into each others country in Emergencies "To Help Out The Civilian Forces." Same way that they spy on us all legally. They can't legally spy on you in the USA so they get Canada to do that. And Canada has problems spying on citizens so we get the USA to do that. Same with the Brits and the NZ and OZ. So Yah I believe it all. I remember in the 60's demonstrations that the FBI and the RCMP were working together. A lot of Vietnam War resisters fled into Canada and sought sanctuary. Many became good Canadian citizens. And are still here. Wierd eh! Many of your guys fled here and 60,000 Canadian boys went south and joined up and fought in Nam. To this day they are not recognised in Canada by the Gubmint and still have to go to the USA to get medical help. My cousin Carl was in the 1st Special Forces, the Devils Brigade. He left Alberta at 15 and went to Montana and signed up and fought all through the WW2, with the Yanks. He became a Yank. He returned to Canada and joined the Black Watch a Highland Regiment. He then fought in Korea with The Black Watch and became The Regimental Sargeant Major of the Black Watch. The US when he was an old man, Honoured him with citizenship, and medals for serving the US, Canada never did recognise these guys. He just died recently, his Obit said he Was Well Loved and Loved Well. Don't know why I started going on about "Tiny" but "it is what it is." A lot of my family is American and I guess that is why no matter Her Faults I still Love America, but I am 100% Albertan.
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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 00:29:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'j')ust finished a search of moneynews and newsmax... noting there to match this article.

Unless you furnish a "forum"' to cite this from, I will disreguard it myself as email hysteria spam.


You need to brush up on your Google Search skills 48. Took me one try to find this one.

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You missed the point reverse...

the post says quoting
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rom Newsmax Article.............ECONOMIC COLLAPSE TO TRIGGER SOCIAL PANDEMONIUM
Moneynews email alert, April 3, 2009


I didn't bother to google the entire internet because newsmax nor moneynews ( a part of newsmax) had this in THEIR search engine making the beginning sentence A LIE!

Have I cleared that up for you? That was my point.. why repost a lie?
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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 00:33:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'Y')ah RE that is where I picked it up. On the LATOC forum. They are very leftwing over there and banned me for dissing Obama.


I don't read LATOC, so I'm not familiar with their political spin, but my guess would be that you were banned for being an OBVIOUS Fascist. LOL. Here on Peak Oil, the Fascist and Nazi contingent is quite strong, and your spin flies pretty well with that crew. To the great credit of the Mods here, they don't ban ME for my anti-Fascist, anti-Wealth and anti-Property Ownership viewpoint, but that is not to say I don't get plenty of Grief for it. LOL.

This is why I just LOVE Peak Oil. I have no desire to sit around the campfire with a bunch of people who will eat up my stuff like its a Fat Filled McMuffin, I'd MUCH rather go toe to toe with people who DON'T agree with me. Basically, I like eating Fascists and Nazis for Breakfast(and Lunch, and Dinner :-). )McMuffins just don't cut it. LOL

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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 01:06:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'j')ust finished a search of moneynews and newsmax... noting there to match this article.

Unless you furnish a "forum"' to cite this from, I will disreguard it myself as email hysteria spam.


You need to brush up on your Google Search skills 48. Took me one try to find this one.

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You missed the point reverse...

the post says quoting
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rom Newsmax Article.............ECONOMIC COLLAPSE TO TRIGGER SOCIAL PANDEMONIUMMoneynews email alert, April 3, 2009


I didn't bother to google the entire internet because newsmax nor moneynews ( a part of newsmax) had this in THEIR search engine making the beginning sentence A LIE!

Have I cleared that up for you? That was my point.. why repost a lie?



Sorry 48; how is this a lie? It may be a lie if they predicted with certainty that this is going to happen but surely stating the obvious is not the same as lying?
WTF do you think would happen in a total economic collapse? Social cohesion?
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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 02:26:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', ' ')They are very leftwing over there and banned me for dissing Obama. They are hardcore Bedpissing handwringing Useful Idiots. All I said was that Obama was like the Fat Kid on The Farside Cartoon "School For the Gifted" Were the Fat kid is trying to push the door in when it opens out. And they banned me.



Many leftists aren't all that happy with Obama either. I suspect you meant 'liberal' which would fit because those liberals just love ooobs no matter how many stupid meaningless wars he spreads or how many dictators he bows down to.

Anyhow, I wonder how long I would last there if posting anti-Ooobs commentary is grounds for dismissal.
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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 02:47:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'E')ven if its 100,000 troops, how are they going to deploy them with problems in LA, New York, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Washington etc all occuring simultaneously? That can't even control one city like Baghdad with that many troops, and that would be adding in Iraqui stooges.

Sorry to say that, but an average Iraqi or Afghan man is close to indefinitely more combat worthy than an average American man.
If it ever happened for US government to order US Army take on US citizens, entire adventure would remind sheep slaughter.
...and waving handguns against gunship helicopters is rather silly, btw.
Few pockets of resistance could be converted into something resembling Grozny (Chechen capital) after war with Russians.
Your only hope is that US Army *might* refuse to carry on orders.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here is no way the US Military can control the population in its current form with its current numbers.

...so they could trim it down to more manageable proportion.
They have men and technology required to achieve that.
Anyway, large proportion of soldiers are psychopaths, so they would really enjoy to carry on such tasks.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here would have to be mass conscription, which of course is possible.

I doubt that.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')nce they bring the Army into the act here...

... US will pretty fast work in a fashion like North Korea does.
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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 02:48:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '
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You missed the point reverse...

the post says quoting
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]From Newsmax Article.............[b]ECONOMIC COLLAPSE TO TRIGGER SOCIAL PANDEMONIUMMoneynews email alert, April 3, 2009[/b]


I didn't bother to google the entire internet because newsmax nor moneynews ( a part of newsmax) had this in THEIR search engine making the beginning sentence A LIE!

Have I cleared that up for you? That was my point.. why repost a lie?



Sorry 48; how is this a lie? It may be a lie if they predicted with certainty that this is going to happen but surely stating the obvious is not the same as lying?
WTF do you think would happen in a total economic collapse? Social cohesion?


The article claims to be from a newsmax moneynews alert... HINT where did I search.. HINT if I tell you george washington said capitalism was dead.... the lie is in the George Washington said an obvious attempt to get some credibility for a made up rant that might or might not be true or even cogent....


have you figured out why liars once you know they are liars are not worth quoting or bothering to read yet?
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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 02:49:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
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Anyhow, I wonder how long I would last there if posting anti-Ooobs commentary is grounds for dismissal.


Not long Eastbay. Your Communism is thinly disguised Nazism, you fellate Jack regularly after all. You are easy to pick out, so you would be banned in short order if you supported the filth you support from Jack all the time. Here on Peak Oil, such ideas are tolerated, even supported outright by the Mods. I gather that is not the case over on LATOC. You would have a very short lifespan there.

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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 02:57:37

So NOW 2 pages later , we realize we are talking about a made up supposed newsmax article pretending to quote someone but instead simply presenting another dead ender rant in a dead ender forum for supposed credibility of an slightly less dead ender news site.. Does anyone really think the masters of the universe who cannot even steal money successfully nor prevent the collapse of the world economy have real cogent plans to prevent chaos in American by using the troops made up of citizens to suppress the anger and revolt of those citizens brothers fathers and probably sisters and mothers.?

Do you think they expect to have fuel for their petrodriven machines of war? Do you think they will have control and command of that citizen army?


Do you think they can even control a major disaster from the next attack by any of the angry third world p*ssant armies of their enemies and competitors in theft?

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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 03:00:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', ' ')You are easy to pick out, so you would be banned in short order if you supported the filth you support from Jack all the time. Here on Peak Oil, such ideas are tolerated, even supported outright by the Mods. I gather that is not the case over on LATOC. You would have a very short lifespan there.

Communists and fascists are really the same.
Means ideology is slightly different but practice comparable.
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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 03:05:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'S')orry to say that, but an average Iraqi or Afghan man is close to indefinitely more combat worthy than an average American man.
If it ever happened for US government to order US Army take on US citizens, entire adventure would remind sheep slaughter.


Hello. The entire US Military is COMPOSED of average American men. Actually probably BELOW average American men, since only really dumb suckers get themselves sent to Iraq to DIE. LOL.

While you do have say 100,000 fairly well trained soldiers fighting in Iraq, you have at least a MILLION Gang Bangers in Harlem and another MILLION Drug Workers in East LA and another MILLION Mexican Wetbacks down in Houston fresh from the Drug Wars in Tijuana who ALL are ARMED to the teeth who in NO WAY are going to roll over and play dead here. LOL.

Yes, we have plenty of fat and complacent Americans at the top end of the food chain who will get eaten alive here. However, there are many MORE really vicious POOR folks who have PLENTY of experience in Firefights on the streeets of LA. You REALLY think 100K Soldier Boys are going to do all that well against a few MILLION of them? LOL.

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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 03:15:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', ' ')You are easy to pick out, so you would be banned in short order if you supported the filth you support from Jack all the time. Here on Peak Oil, such ideas are tolerated, even supported outright by the Mods. I gather that is not the case over on LATOC. You would have a very short lifespan there.

Communists and fascists are really the same.
Means ideology is slightly different but practice comparable.


Thanks guys. I'll stay here with all my good and tolerant buddies where it's safe then. I appreciate having a wide cross section of friends including even the likes of you RE. :)
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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 03:20:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'H')owever, there are many MORE really vicious POOR folks who have PLENTY of experience in Firefights on the streeets of LA. You REALLY think 100K Soldier Boys are going to do all that well against a few MILLION of them? LOL.

Your drug gangsters, and other degenerados are not sufficiently organized to take on US Army.
In any case once gloves came off they would be truly defenseless against US Army.
Think about guship helicopters, cluster bombs, phosphorus bombs, termobaric bombs (MOAB alike) or perhaps even CW or neutron bombs deployed against pockets of resistance in inner cities.
Cannot be done, you say...?

...well think again, comparable solutions (with exception of neutron bombs) were already applied by various dictators here and there and they were often successful.

Some peoples other than you are saying that Army would quickly run out of fuel and lose :-D
It is real fun to read such a silly remarks.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ello. The entire US Military is COMPOSED of average American men. Actually probably BELOW average American men, since only really dumb suckers get themselves sent to Iraq to DIE.

And I disagree here.
Psychopaths are preferred material for combat forces.
In general soldiers are selected top performers in respect of "body functions".
Army is increasingly finding it difficult to find recruits meeting selection criteria.
In the past average Joe, age 20 would do.
Now one of 20 of Joes will pass Army selection tests.
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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 03:26:14

I don't think anyone should be surprized it's hard to find credible evidence of Guv preps for civilian uprising.

On the other hand; it would be naive to think they do not have such preps.

Whether any preparation could be considered adequate for the chaos potential of a USA basket case economy is doubtfull; especially in the urban settings listed by RE, which is most likely a very short list of potential extreme hotspots.

Yet more reason to move to a minimum density area.
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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 03:32:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
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Some peoples other than you are saying that Army would quickly run of of fuel and lose :-D
It is real fun to read such a silly remarks.


Forget the Fuel EU, they will run out of MONEY, at least money that will BUY anything that is left to buy. The National Guard after IKE was begging the local populace for food and water. You really think that FEMA can logistically run a war in many cities at the same time and still feed the soldiers? they are too INCOMPETENT to do that.

The more logical plan would be to just let the cities burn, but that collapses the cetralized power that much quicker. You can't run a Big Goobermint without big cities, but you can;t run big cities without a lot of MONEY. The central authority is pulled apart not by a lack of fuel, but a lack of MONEY, and an inability to run the logistics of keeping the soldiers fed. Without food, the soldiers are not going to fight the local populace for long. It devolves rapidly, as the economic house of cards is now devolving rapidly. Just we probably wait for this devolutio a little while, I cannot say how long though.

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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 03:43:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
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Some peoples other than you are saying that Army would quickly run of of fuel and lose :-D
It is real fun to read such a silly remarks.


Forget the Fuel EU, they will run out of MONEY, at least money that will BUY anything that is left to buy. The National Guard after IKE was begging the local populace for food and water. You really think that FEMA can logistically run a war in many cities at the same time and still feed the soldiers? they are too INCOMPETENT to do that.

I cannot comment on FEMA abilities.
"FEMA prison ploy" smells to me a bit too much with NWO conspiracies.

What I am trying to say is that it is not impossible to force Americans into martial laws and military dictatorship.
If it can be done in NK (or number of dozens of other countries), then why not in US?

Don't be concerned about money too.
For as long as soldiers are fed and they see that others are not, they will fight.
You may also allow them to loot and rape members of "internal enemy" as a bonus to keep them happy.
Obviously such a system will get bankrupt too but it may well survive a decade or two or even more as history is teaching.
Ever heard about Idi Amin (my favourite African leader :-D )?
About Saddam?
About Pinochet?
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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 03:51:46

I had a G/F once who was in the former Yugoslav Army; they were all addicted to heroin at least at the foot soldier level, and Saturday nights and battle nights they would be given ecstacy.

She and many others abandoned the Army for killing civilians, only to return to get more smack. They would be beaten up and screamed at, then forgiven and dosed up. The second time they would be jailed or shot.
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Re: US Preparing Military Response To Economic Chaos

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 03:59:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I') had a G/F once who was in the former Yugoslav Army; they were all addicted to heroin at least at the foot soldier level, and Saturday nights and battle nights they would be given ecstacy.

Poor choice of G/F.
Is there any fun in fu..ing some ex-military drug addict infected with God knows what? :-D
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