[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

Since the inception of the first metropolitan police force in London England in 1829 the mandate has always been to protect the upper classes from the citizenry against whom they feel threatened. This is just another means to do that.

Anyone who thinks cops are out there to help, or protect them either has met a rare cop or is nuts. I hate cops and I teach my kids to stay the hell away from them.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')Nah, you said earning $250,000 is "lower middle class."

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')

I'M from Southern California, you silly!

[MarkJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'N')ow that most vehicle data is computerized, some license plate readers in police cars can tell if a vehicle is unregistered, uninspected, uninsured, stolen, has expired/switched plates or if the registrant has outstanding tickets or warrants.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'N')ow that most vehicle data is computerized, some license plate readers in police cars can tell if a vehicle is unregistered, uninspected, uninsured, stolen, has expired/switched plates or if the registrant has outstanding tickets or warrants.

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')As long as it's not in my neighborhood..........

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')As long as it's not in my neighborhood..........

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '
')
If I recall you moved away a while back. 12 years ago, I think???

[gollum]

Freedom loving citizens should destroy these cameras at every opportunity.

[oyvey]

Wearing Richard Nixon masks can help.

Or everyone just get one of these, you won't look suspicious.




or this one:



Careful, you may get picked up on a date with this last one.


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this one is on EBAy also.

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')You seem to be claiming cost of living has doubled or tripled in that period of time. I have my doubts. I have friends out there who seem to be living quite a nice middle-class lifestyle on $100,000 or less per year.

[AAA]

I forgot to mention this link also shows the house was bought in 2007 for $1,400,000

So the people are actually taking a lose if they sell the house.

[AAA]

Hereis a house for sale in Torrance for $1,248,500.

Last sales date was 2002 for $719,000

74% increase in 7 years.

Built in 1956, 3 bedroom, 2 bath, and 1,918 sqft.

[Ludi]

They rent a house in Silverlake. They are in their late 40s. Many middle-class people in large cities rent rather than own.

Why do you always link to expensive homes, as if that were all that is available?

[vision-master]

Inflated market. I'm 15 min from downtown Mpls/ St Paul. I have a 1,400sf townhouse in an up-scale area. My new tax asessment was $130,000.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I')nflated market. I'm 15 min from downtown Mpls/ St Paul. I have a 1,400sf townhouse in an up-scale area. My new tax asessment was $130,000.

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hey rent a house in Silverlake. They are in their late 40s. Many middle-class people in large cities rent rather than own.

Why do you always link to expensive homes, as if that were all that is available?

[patience]

AAA,

I have a daughter in Chula Vista, CA. I'm familiar with the outrageously inflated housing prices in CA, (now crashing) but here in the midwest, it still sounds like fantasy, which in reality, it is. Housing is worth what the market will pay for it, in any case. Not so much now in CA, IF you can find a buyer at all Daughter's gated community is not gated now--the homeowner's assoc. is broke, the rules of minimum size home/one family per home, etc., are gone, since there is no one to enforce those. Result is, with 3 out of 5 homes foreclosed on, REIT's made up of a few wealthy investors have bought the neighboring homes out of foreclosure and turned them into 4 and 5 unit apartments, rented to whomever. You can Google Earth the area and see brown yards everywhere, = empty homes where nobody waters the grass. I see southern CA going back to the desert it was before the Colorado River was diverted to support it, and the home values following that. (Can't convince my daughter though, she is infected with whatever is in the water out there that convinces people it is heaven on earth.)

This reality does not fit in my mind with $1,000,000+ home values, so any reference to such a market immediately makes me think these purported values are from a dinosaur market that doesn't know yet that it is dead. With the ongoing economic problems in the US, whatever happens in CA may just as well be on another planet, from the view in the midwest. For reference, my one acre lot with a 30 year old 1,500 sq. ft. ranch on it is supposed to be worth about $130,000, but nobody has sold a home here for the past year, so who knows?

Home prices = pie-in-the-sky, IMHO.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '
')Ludi, you are making this difficult for yourself.

[mos6507]

I don't know what house prices are like in Los Angeles County but when I was there last year they were still insane, and they are still insane here in the inner-run Boston suburbs.

Not only that, but rentals in Los Angeles County are also very high. I was paying close to $1,500 a month for a 1BR apartment in Culver City.

I don't see how anyone gets by in these areas without roommates or two-earner households.

A crash in house prices can't come soon enough for these areas.