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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby Wednesday » Mon 23 Mar 2009, 03:09:03

Your schadenfreude had lead you to wild speculation. Your revision bears little resemblence to any thing I have shared here and even less to the truth.

Even though I don't like you, I hope your marriage is durable and permanent.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Mon 23 Mar 2009, 03:55:59

If you ahve nothing holding you there... you are still Canadian by marriage and we would still love to have you up here.

To minor notes, I am not sure if you know, but a bankruptcy in Canada will not let your ex out of alimony or a judgement by the court (IE: divorce proceedings where he has to pay you for your share of the house).

There is a world of opportunity for a smart and lovely lady like yourself. Pick some good options (theres a whole world of them) and put them on a dart board. (make sure you have Canada among them) just cause your ex is a moron doesn't mean all the people up here are, right?
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby Wednesday » Mon 23 Mar 2009, 04:05:14

My friend, it is my regret that we did not spend face time together when I was nearer to you.

I was never granted Canadian citizenship, I have to apply for a visa just like any other American. I will not go into the details, but it was beyond my control.

How is your home improvement coming along? Give my regards to the wonderful folks at the Kootenay co-op next time you visit Nelson.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby Wednesday » Mon 23 Mar 2009, 04:27:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'I')f you ahve nothing holding you there...


I adore my sister and her kids, she is my only surviving relative. Ever since we lost Mom I have come to realize that we need each other. She's become my very best friend.

I love the Kootenays. You know how in the spring the pines get that bright green new growth that is so beautiful against the darker green of the old growth? That bright spring green is my very favorite color. It's so beautiful there and the air is so sweet. I doubt that your area will see any civil unrest, but I do expect to see some serious crushing poverty. You know what i mean. The people of BC are wonderful, but when they talk about diversity what they really mean is the hippies and the rednecks get along. :P I swear I have never seen so many white people in one place.

I am back home in the land of enchiladas and Mexican guitar. It's great, I just have to get away from the city now. Tejas is home, Houston...not so much anymore.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Mon 23 Mar 2009, 04:37:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', '
')I love the Kootenays. You know how in the spring the pines get that bright green new growth that is so beautiful against the darker green of the old growth? That bright spring green is my very favorite color. It's so beautiful there and the air is so sweet.


Remember elephant mountain with the dead pines? The red of the pine beetle killed trees makes it look like a large picture of a hiker or someone with a bow standing out among the deep green. The crokus are just about to come out and once the snow goes, well like you said... breath taking.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') doubt that your area will see any civil unrest, but I do expect to see some serious crushing poverty. You know what i mean. The people of BC are wonderful, but when they talk about diversity what they really mean is the hippies and the rednecks get along. :P I swear I have never seen so many white people in one place.


Yeah weird eh? lots of white people... odd. I agree with the civil unrest. I think we will have some really upset elitests and even the hippies will be up in arms. but civil unrest here should be rather Canadian... or they will have maybe 200 people show up for a peaceful protest and then they will go home and deal.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am back home in the land of enchiladas and Mexican guitar. It's great, I just have to get away from the city now. Tejas is home, Houston...not so much anymore.


Don't get me wrong I'd love to see Texas, I have family there too. Some even got hit in the katrina episode. Home is where your heart is, and that really means where you feel you belong. but I'd go the urban survivalist if I were there. You can still keep your eyes open and scout out for abandoned property and learn about food plans etc.

Your adobe house is more suited to that area too. Did you see the thread aobut the guy living in his truck? Ever thought aobut renovating a small travel trailer into a doom stead? there are still a whole host of things you can do. You are a smart capable woman, don't let any of this "stuff" hold you back.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby Wednesday » Mon 23 Mar 2009, 04:53:19

My husband's house is on Elephant Mountain.

I have indeed been looking at travel trailers, check this lady out...

http://www.bettatalk.com/introducing_houdini.htm

I think that I would like to find an older used one of course, but it would make a great little shelter with all sorts of practical uses, not the least of which is recreational.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Mon 23 Mar 2009, 05:08:48

Damn that is cute. I think something like that is great. beware of getting one too small cuze of cabin fever. You can get winter and artic packages on these things too, though you might want to buy it in a snowy state to get taht kind of option. Otherwise you could just get a used one and refurbish it.

There should be some pretty awesome deals with all the people going bankrupt, I bet you could pick one up at gov/bank auction real cheap. I told my kids that in 5 years I may leave them to pay rent on the homestead and make something like this for the fun of it. and yeah, like you said, keeps you mobile and is still an option for a doomstead.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 23 Mar 2009, 08:58:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', '
')I adore my sister and her kids, she is my only surviving relative. Ever since we lost Mom I have come to realize that we need each other. She's become my very best friend.


And what says she about doom? No chance of teaming up on the doom compound?
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby outcast » Mon 23 Mar 2009, 10:46:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', 'I')f you're expecting me to refute every asinine assumption you can dredge up, you're going to be disappointed.




I'm not. I just hate to see people throw their lives away based on scaremongering.


To twilliams: Now you see the result of doomsaying, it ends up creating more and more wednesdays. I fail to see how that is good for anyone.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 23 Mar 2009, 13:22:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', '
')I adore my sister and her kids, she is my only surviving relative. Ever since we lost Mom I have come to realize that we need each other. She's become my very best friend.
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This is probably the most important thing. Being a woman (or man, for that matter) alone, without family, or in a bad marriage is the worst place to be, in the future. Most people divide the world up regionally, in their heads, in terms of safe places to be. I think it's probably just as wise to divide the world up, along relationship lines, for the future. The "go it alone" mentality is really what got the Western world into the mess it's in, to begin with. I think many of us are in the process of slowly integrating with others, family first, then friends and community, not always in that order.

I would NEVER look for a partner in Canada. Strangely, though our cultures are so similar, but American men, very generally speaking, seem to be much better to women. Don't know why. My husband is American and I was astonished, not just by him, but his male friends, too. Interested to hear your thoughts on this, Wednesday.

I know there are many exceptions, so any Canadian men reading this, please bear that in mind, and don't flame me about it.

Anyway Wednesday...I think you're going to do really well. You have the right attitude and you will survive and probably thrive.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby Wednesday » Mon 23 Mar 2009, 20:54:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')And what says she about doom? No chance of teaming up on the doom compound?


I don't think my sister will really understand until there are bread riots in her own neighborhood. Let's hope that never happens. There will always be a place for her with me.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')This is probably the most important thing. Being a woman (or man, for that matter) alone, without family, or in a bad marriage is the worst place to be, in the future. Most people divide the world up regionally, in their heads, in terms of safe places to be. I think it's probably just as wise to divide the world up, along relationship lines, for the future. The "go it alone" mentality is really what got the Western world into the mess it's in, to begin with. I think many of us are in the process of slowly integrating with others, family first, then friends and community, not always in that order.


Absolutely. One of the best lessons I brought home from Canada was that of community.
Having been raised in a city of ...7 million (?, give or take) souls, with mind-boggling urban sprawl, I wasn't raised to feel especially connected to community. It's just so easy to be anonymous here. Nelson has a population of 10,000. If you count the greater Arrow Lake area, it tops out around 30,000. Huge difference. I learned how to make connections there.

Before I actually take a loan and sign in blood, I would definitely spend some time trying to discern how well the community fits me before I latch on to something more permanent.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') would NEVER look for a partner in Canada. Strangely, though our cultures are so similar, but American men, very generally speaking, seem to be much better to women. Don't know why. My husband is American and I was astonished, not just by him, but his male friends, too. Interested to hear your thoughts on this, Wednesday.


I don't want to talk about my Canadian man. It's complicated ....and painful. I imagine divorce is that way for most everyone.

I don't generalize much. I'm such an iconoclast that I just chafe under labels and generalizations. You yourself pegged me as an anomaly. :mrgreen: I think I'm comfortable with that, lol. Flattered, even.

If you think there is something to your theory, perhaps there is. I'm not really one to make comparisons where people are concerned, I'll take your word for it.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 24 Mar 2009, 00:14:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', '
')I don't think my sister will really understand until there are bread riots in her own neighborhood.


Have you spoken to her about any of this since the credit crisis struck? Not that it's a validation of peak oil (the way some here feel) but it could still push her more into prep territory.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby Wednesday » Tue 24 Mar 2009, 02:39:56

She's stuck in the mainstream right now. She has three children under the age of 10 and I think I'm just a little too far over in the doomer camp for her. It's too scary for a young mother living on a schoolteachers salary to listen to my Mad Max musings. I keep my mouth shut and do my own thing in silence. When the time is right, we talk. I keep it as relevant to current events as possible.


However, this last election brought us a little closer together.

She's a Republican and I'm a Libertarian. We are both wringing our hands over Obamarama.

God help us all.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby Wednesday » Tue 24 Mar 2009, 03:34:47

mos I just read your Obama blog, lol.

He's better than Bush, but that's not saying much is it? I'm not against the man, but I am against some of his economic policies. I wish I had a better grasp on where the money is going, but it's really convoluted. I should probably go read the money forums.

Over at ArmageddonOnline.org some of the tinfoilies think he is the anti-christ, lol.

I think the Iran thing will fail, but it will show the rest of the world that he tried and thats a positive thing. Europe just LOVES him, so that can't hurt us over there.
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