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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Unread postby TWilliam » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 15:47:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '8')O While looking for stats on UPS ground shipments I came on this. It shows the real depth of the slowdown. The shipments of metals and autos being down 45%+/- tells the real story. I guess its time to go back to the Doomer prep threads and do more then just read them.
http://railfax.transmatch.com/

I'd say the 23+% drop in grain shipments is a bit indicative too...
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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 17:04:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '8')O While looking for stats on UPS ground shipments I came on this. It shows the real depth of the slowdown. The shipments of metals and autos being down 45%+/- tells the real story. I guess its time to go back to the Doomer prep threads and do more then just read them.
http://railfax.transmatch.com/

I'd say the 23+% drop in grain shipments is a bit indicative too...


and 18 percent intermodal. also... ps did you see the food catagory
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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Unread postby TWilliam » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 17:17:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '8')O While looking for stats on UPS ground shipments I came on this. It shows the real depth of the slowdown. The shipments of metals and autos being down 45%+/- tells the real story. I guess its time to go back to the Doomer prep threads and do more then just read them.
http://railfax.transmatch.com/

I'd say the 23+% drop in grain shipments is a bit indicative too...


and 18 percent intermodal. also... ps did you see the food catagory

Yea, but that's just the Current Week number. I think the YtD vs. 2008 & 2007 is more significant. 15.8% & 18.6% respectively. Food (by which I assume they mean both packaged and produce ready for sale, I don't see it specified) is only down 9.9% and 8.7% respectively.

Still... a fair decrease...
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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 17:30:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')Yea, but that's just the Current Week number. I think the YtD vs. 2008 & 2007 is more significant. 15.8% & 18.6% respectively. Food (by which I assume they mean both packaged and produce ready for sale, I don't see it specified) is only down 9.9% and 8.7% respectively.

Still... a fair decrease...


Because they do not break down the inter modal any, the numbers leave some information to be desired.

I spent a few more hours this morning discussing bulk shipping etc with someone who was in that business until a couple years ago. I showed him the rail utilization charts, and we both searched the internet for similar data on other continents or similar data tracking on bulk shipping.. with no success.

He is I think finally beginning to see my point on JIT survivability. Like me he is beginning to envision a much smaller much more intensely dedicated to MUST HAVE rather than wish I had production. A much smaller less globalized economy that might enable a survival of the most of the worlds population albeit on a different standard than opulence based on cheap transport and slave labor.
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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Unread postby TWilliam » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 17:57:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'L')ike me he is beginning to envision a much smaller much more intensely dedicated to MUST HAVE rather than wish I had production. A much smaller less globalized economy that might enable a survival of the most of the worlds population albeit on a different standard than opulence based on cheap transport and slave labor.

I tend to agree, tho' I'm probably considerably more skeptical about survivability of most of the world's population. Aside from transport issues, there's also the issue of being able to sustain food production adequate to feed everyone. That's unlikely to continue once sufficient fossil fuel inputs are no longer there.

Anyway, I suspect it will also soon be time for all those trendy clubs, restaurants and 'fitness centers' to vacate so that those warehouses close to traditional rail and shipping hubs can resume their intended function...
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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Unread postby timmac » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 18:03:02

To all you doomers that think the food shelves will be dry soon or by this summer as OP as stated I will let this person speak for me, yes its going to get worse but it will work it self out as always..



World Economy: Negative Growth – or Positive Collapse?
by Bill Bonner



“Negative growth,” says today’s paper.

Yes, dear reader. Stocks are advancing to the rear…and economies are growing…smaller. How we love these oxymorons! If only we could age negatively…and eat all we wanted and gain minus pounds!

The commentators have it all wrong. Look on the bright side. The world economy is not in a period of negative growth. It’s in a period of positive collapse! That’s why the Great Depression was so great, after all. What’s positive about this depression is that it is clearing away a generation’s worth of mistakes, misallocations of resources and misplaced confidence.

Stocks are down more than 20% this year. The U.S. economy is retreating at more than 6% per year. Britain is walking backwards at a 2% pace. And Japan? Wow…when it comes to negative growth, the Japanese are experts. Their economy is growing negatively at more than 12% per year. If this keeps up, by the time the next bull market comes along, there won’t be any Japanese economy left.

The Asian Development Bank says the losses so far have cost the world $50 trillion.

The Financial Times reports:

“The ADB’s estimates take into account falling stock market valuations and losses in the value of bonds supported by mortgages and other assets, though not financial derivatives. About a fifth of the losses in dollar terms arise from the depreciation of many currencies against the dollar.”

The last estimate of the total world’s wealth we saw was $100 trillion. If these estimates are correct, the planet has lost about half its value. But who bids for planet earth?

Just about everything that existed – the real wealth of the world – still exists. What disappeared were the fantasy financial evaluations. A truck is a truck is a truck. It doesn’t become less of a truck just because the world has entered a period of financial contraction. It is just as serviceable now as it was two years ago. And the poor guy who had a trucking company keeps on trucking…

But now he has a whole lot less trucking to do than he did before. The stores aren’t moving as much merchandise…so no need to deliver so much. And so the value of his truck – in terms of how much revenue it can produce – has gone down. So too has the value of his trucking company. Maybe he should never have bought that truck in the first place…

The Dow is down near 6,500. Only 1,500 points to go. At least, that was our guess a few years ago. We figured that the Dow would have to go to 5,000 in order to get down to real bottom prices.

Will the bear market finally be over then? Nope. That’s just where you can begin looking for a bottom. Remember, markets tend to overshoot.

So far, the Dow has wiped out 43 years of gains. Adjusted for inflation, it was at this level back when the Beach Boys and the Beatles were just starting out. Actually, we don’t remember when the Beach Boys and the Beatles began…but it must have been in the mid-’60s.

Back in ’66, the Dow hit a high for the cycle. It had been going up since the bottom in 1949. After the peak in ’66, it retreated…and then staged another attack on the summit two years later. But inflation was getting pumped up too…and in real terms, the ’68 high failed to better the peak of ’66.

From ’66 to ’82 it was down, down, down. Then, Business Week threw in the towel: “The Death of Equities” said the cover story. Then, it was up, up, up…until…well, you remember the rest.

We only bring this up to warn readers: these major cycles take time. So far, the Dow has only gotten down to the ’66 TOP. Now, it has to get to the ’82 BOTTOM…adjusted for inflation. Where would that be?

Well….as we recall, the Dow was barely at 1,000 when the bull market began. And if adjust that to consumer price inflation, we come to a 2,000–3,000.

Will it get there? Who knows?

The Dow gained 32 points on Friday…a slight bounce up at the end of a dismal week. Oil rose to $45. And gold, which seems to have finished its correction, ended the week at $942.


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“Have you bought your gold and silver yet?” writes our intrepid correspondent Byron King.

“You ought to have 5–10% of your portfolio in gold and silver, and I mean the real, physical stuff.

“Oh, you haven’t gotten around to buying any gold or silver yet? Let me quote Rudyard Kipling, from his poem ‘Gunga Din.’ You need to ‘put some juldee in it.’ Quick! Go and get some precious metals! Don’t make me say I told you so, because I will.

“Indeed, I told you so. Or we told you so. Buy gold and silver. If you follow almost any of the publications from Agora Financial, you ought to know that in one way or another, for about 10 years, Agora has been advising people (this means you) to buy precious metals. Back then, in the good old days of Y2K, gold was selling for well under $300 per ounce. Silver was going at $2–3 per ounce. Lately, gold has been selling in the $900 range, with an excursion over $1,000 about two weeks ago. Silver is trading in the $12–14 range.

“Starting in 1999, Bill Bonner told you to buy gold. Bill even helpfully labeled it “The trade of the decade.” Over the years, Agora Financial published countless essays about gold from the Mogambo Guru, who was never subtle about it. ‘Buy freaking gold,’ said Mogambo. “Or if you don’t buy gold, buy silver,” he said. You could look it up.

“Many other Agora editors and contributors told you to buy gold and silver. Addison Wiggin, Eric Fry and Dan Denning told you to buy it. Agora Financial published guest articles from the likes of Gary North, Doug Casey, Marc Faber and many others about buying precious metals. I’ve been writing about gold in Agora Financial publications since 2003, when I was a mere “unpaid correspondent in Pittsburgh” composing occasional notes for The Daily Reckoning. ‘When all else fails (and it will),’ I said, ‘own gold.’”


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The company that Thomas Edison started cut its dividend for the first time in 71 years. Some analysts think GE, too, could default – thanks to the company’s move into the financial sector.

Hotels are going into foreclosure too, says USA Today.


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Dow Chemical is trading at a 24-year low.


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And the “Great Red Hope” – the idea that China will pull the entire world economy out of a depression – is “pure fantasy,” writes William Pesek.

China relies on exports. And the export business sucks. It will be lucky to get through this downturn without a revolution.


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An Economist headline: “Are Investors Still too Optimistic?”

Our guess: yes. Most of the action on the stock markets is professional buying and selling. The amateurs seem to be largely sitting on the sidelines, waiting for a rebound to get back in.

They still haven’t gotten the message. This isn’t a recession. There won’t be a quick recovery. And the bailout/stimulus plans won’t work.

This is depression. It will take years to restructure the economy. And bailout/stimulus plans just slow down the process.

Looking back at the Dow…if you take the market peak of January 2000 as the long-term cyclical top…you might expect an eventual bottom 10–20 years later…and then a new bull market that would return prices to their peak highs 10–20 after that. Between the high of ’29 and the next major high in ’66 was 37 years. Between the ’66 high and the ’00 high was 34 years.

So sit back. Relax. Most likely, we’ll see stock prices much lower…for much longer. Look for a return to ’00 highs in 2035.

Learn to make a correction your friend. Remember, this is a positive collapse, not negative growth. It is correcting the stupid “growth” of the bubble years. What really grew during that period was consumer spending in the United States and Britain. And it grew far beyond the ability of Anglo-Americans to pay for it. Because they were spending too much, the whole world economy bent to sell them too much. The Chinese built too many factories. The shippers built too many vessels. The truckers bought too many trucks. The homebuilders put up too many hovels. The retailers expanded too much…the malls were overbuilt…etc. etc. etc.

Now, in this period of positive collapse, all that surplus capacity is being marked down to what it is really worth…liquidated…and restructured.

Give it time, dear reader. Let Mr. Market do his work.


March 11, 2009

Bill Bonner [send him mail] is the author, with Addison Wiggin, of Financial Reckoning Day: Surviving the Soft Depression of The 21st Century and Empire of Debt: The Rise Of An Epic Financial Crisis and the co-author with Lila Rajiva of Mobs, Messiahs and Markets (Wiley, 2007).

Copyright © 2009 Bill Bonner

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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 18:22:35

rail as currently used is the other dodo bird of transportation.

To get transport to a sustainable level, we are gonna have to go beyond the 18th century design of hard ribbon road energy intensive transport, even at the scale of railroads as they are today.

Check some time the phony savings of rail against the phony savings of nuclear fuel. Birds of a feather from the same oligarchic masters. LOL


Transport began with a man and a wheel on land we graduated to draft animals, and then turned to hydrocarbon conversion to heat for transport motivation. Maritime use of oar, wind, and now heat to motion was driven from the same inventive paths.

Mankind has been sadly content to simply knock the edges off of bad ideas like incandescent light, internal combustion etc all in a glorious pursuit of productivity ( translate to speed).

The population of most of the world has never reached the level of the middle class western world. But then most people only think they envy our life because they are inundated with our entertainment and propaganda proclaiming the "leave it to Beaver" perfection of our society...LOL

If MOST of the population of the earth is to survive the realization that cheap easily extracted hydrocarbons are now extinct without becoming extinct ourselves someone will have to start rethinking the basic premise that heat conversion to motion is the only suitable answer.. Along the way multiple side problems like fertilization and demechanization or re mechanization etc will have to be addressed by someone not brain molded into the eco village let them all starve because nothing else can be done model.

Big order HMMM kinda like rethinking what the center of the universe is, or adding a null to calculations of numbers maybe..
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Unread postby TWilliam » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 18:31:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'T')o all you doomers that think the food shelves will be dry soon or by this summer as OP as stated I will let this person speak for me, yes its going to get worse but it will work it self out as always..

Sure it will, no worries! After all the dinosaurs didn't really go extinct; they just evolved into birds, right? :-D
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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 20:24:37

interesting news about intermodal... er containers...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ondon -- Maersk Line will idle as many as twenty five medium-sized container ships in 2009 as cargo volumes decline, the head of the world’s biggest ocean carrier said.

But Maersk is determined to defend its leading market share, CEO Eivind Kolding stressed.

“We would not like to see our market share go down,” Kolding said in an interview with Reuters. “When we had huge growth in the market, of 10 percent or more, it was not necessary that we kept our market share each and every year if we had other priorities.”

“But in this environment we will keep our market position,” he said. Maersk is estimated to have a world market share of around 15 percent.

Maersk laid up eight 6,500 TEUs vessels in December as traffic started to slow, particularly on the Asia-Europe trade.

Kolding said all ocean carriers likely will lose money this year and some will go out of business if freight rates don’t recover. “I have no idea who that will be, because we are all different, but it will not be Maersk.”


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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')okyo: Vessel lay ups by Japanese companies may result in up to 40,000 Philippine seamen losing their jobs this year, Phillipines Labour Secretary Marianito Roque is quoted as telling reporters on Wednesday. He pointed out that 45 foreign vessels are laid up at Subic Bay, north of Manila, and in the southern Philippine port of Davao.
Crew members working on car carriers, bulk carriers and container ships are expected to be the first in the firing line as these sectors have fared particularly badly in the current economic climate.
Roque said Manila has asked Tokyo's transport ministry to help retrain displaced Philippine seamen. "This agreement would provide Philippine seafarers affected by the crisis to train and upgrade their skills while waiting for their return on board," he added.
"In the next six months, we can see more Philippine crewmen repatriated," Ericson Marquez, head of a Philippines-based group of ship-manning agencies told AFP. At least 433 container ships have been laid up worldwide due to lack of cargo, he said.


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Unread postby vision-master » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 20:46:41

Mexico throws counterpunch in trucking dispute

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')exico’s greatest boxer, Julio César Chávez, would be proud.

Mexico threw a series of precise counterpunches at the US ban on 18-wheelers on Thursday.

Bang! It hit shipments of grapes from California with a 45 percent tariff.

Pow! Pow! Pow! Fresh pears, Christmas trees, and frozen French fries from Oregon were all smacked with a 20 percent tax.

Bam! Sunflower seeds from North Dakota were tagged with a 15 percent duty.

Mexico is the third-largest US trading partner, after China and Canada. The tariffs that went into effect Thursday will hit some $2.4 billion goods across 40 states. That’s likely to mean lost American jobs during one of the worst recessions in recent memory.


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Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 21:05:23

By Janet Porter and Marcus Hand - Wednesday 18 March 2009
http://shipchartering.blogspot.com/2009/03/lalong-beach-box-traffic-slumps.html

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')CONTAINER traffic handled by the southern Californian ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach collapsed last month as the Chinese New Year slowdown coincided with rapidly eroding consumer demand.
Throughput at Los Angeles dropped by 33% compared with February 2008, while Long Beach handled 40% fewer containers last month.
The sharp declines came as no surprise, with both ports braced for appalling numbers.
Plenty of anecdotal evidence about the extent of the slump had preceded publication of the latest trade data.
Transpacific carriers are now in the fight of their lives to prevent deteriorating spot freight rates that have accompanied the cargo decline from becoming the benchmark for annual service contracts that are now being negotiated. That would put the survival of some at risk.
Members of the Transpacific Stabilization Agreement issued a notice on Wednesday telling shippers that they will be seeking rates of about $500-$600 per 40 ft box higher than current spot rates for 2009-2010 contracts, in an effort to avoid a “catastrophic event”.
TSA chairman Ron Widdows has already acknowledged that contract rates for the coming year will be lower than those obtained in 2008-2009 after a drop in spot rates at the start of the year.
Figures published by Drewry last month showed that spot ocean rates from Hong Kong to Los Angeles were down by almost a third year on year. These rates only cover a small percentage of cargo, but will be cited by shippers as they renew service contracts.
But TSA lines agreed at their meeting in Tokyo last week to do all in their power to stop spot levels becoming the standard for annual contracts that would lock lines in to those levels for 12 months.
This latest initiative comes as Los Angeles reported a 35% decline in loaded inbound containers in February to 205,000 teu, while Long Beach saw imported containers plummet 43% to 149,000 teu.
The steep drop not only reflected economic weakness in both the US and Asia, but also the timing of the Chinese New Year holidays. Cargo also has shifted to smaller ships, while the two ports face competition from others along both the Pacific and Atlantic coasts.
The number of services has declined, with AXS-Alphaliner estimating that average weekly transpacific capacity has fallen 13% since last October. The firm puts the number of liner services from Asia to North America at 60, compared with 70 five months ago.
Against this dire backdrop, TSA members have unveiled a two-stage recovery plan.
Firstly, each will try to terminate cut-price short term or spot rates by the end of June.
Secondly, TSA members will try to establish rates in new contracts at $500-$600 per feu above current spot levels. They also aim to add in full floating bunker surcharges and inland transportation recovery provisions. The sharp decline in spot rates ahead of this year’s contracting season, with most coming up for renewal on May 1, has enabled shippers to obtain some early bargains.
“There have been isolated incidents where these non-compensatory rate levels have found their way into a small number of new contracts,” said Mr Widdows, who is also chief executive of Neptune Orient Lines.
“Everyone involved in this trade faces the certainty of significant losses if quick action is not taken to approach the upcoming round of contract negotiations with a renewed focus on rates that will support continued servicing of this market.”
Efforts in recent months by the TSA to halt the plunge in box rates have proved to be futile as lines have battled to retain market share in a rapidly shrinking market.
“In spite of TSA members’ earlier announced intention to expire these unsustainable rates, carrier behaviour not only failed to arrest the volatility in the trade, but contributed to further erosion in a number of cargo segments, most significantly in the spot market,” Mr Widdows said.
TSA executive administrator Brian Conrad said carriers would see rates soften from 2008-2009 levels, but warned of a potential “catastrophic event” unless current spot rates were reversed.
“The carriers have reached a point where financial survival, not utilisation or market share, has to become the driving force,” he said.
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Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 21:24:44

wow Mexico is taxing food from America... good let's tax Mexican manufactured goods to make up for the difference between $4.30 a day and $6.75 an hour wage minimums...LOL say about a 5,000 percent import tax.. that should do it!
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Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 21:36:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'w')ow Mexico is taxing food from America... good let's tax Mexican manufactured goods to make up for the difference between $4.30 a day and $6.75 an hour wage minimums...LOL say about a 5,000 percent import tax.. that should do it!


You can't do that. It would undermine sending jobs and factories over to Mexico because it would raise the price of the products and then the capitalists couldn't make a profit. Gotta have that Free Trade and drive everbody's wages down the toilet. Lets give Mexican Truckers license to operate in the US while we are at it.

Protectionism is the name of the game here now, and the Mexicans are just trying to protect their own farm economy from disappearing. The answer of course is to tax back Mexican Tomatoes, and then grow more of our own. Of course if you have to pay Americans to pick the Tomatoes and not imported Mexicans, the price of the Tomatoes will go up qite a bit.

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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Unread postby TWilliam » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 22:31:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'Y')ou can't do that. It would undermine sending jobs and factories over to Mexico because it would raise the price of the products and then the capitalists couldn't make a profit. Gotta have that Free Trade and drive everbody's wages down the toilet. Lets give Mexican Truckers license to operate in the US while we are at it.

Protectionism is the name of the game here now, and the Mexicans are just trying to protect their own farm economy from disappearing. The answer of course is to tax back Mexican Tomatoes, and then grow more of our own. Of course if you have to pay Americans to pick the Tomatoes and not imported Mexicans, the price of the Tomatoes will go up qite a bit.

Dang. Guess we'll hafta go back to growin' 'em in the back yard and only eating them fresh in season...
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Unread postby Newfie » Tue 24 Mar 2009, 10:22:47

From Progressive Railroad


3/24/2009 Intermodal
New York/New Jersey port authority's cargo volumes flat-line in '08

For the first time in 15 years, annual cargo volume remained flat at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (PANYNJ).

In 2008, the authority handled 5.26 million 20-foot equivalent units (TEUs) compared with 5.3 million TEUs in 2007. PANYNJ officials expect volumes to decrease throughout 2009 as "the full effect of the economic downturn is realized."

However, the authority expects cargo growth at the port over the long term and is making investments to expand or upgrade ExpressRail and other infrastructure.

For more 2008 port statistics, as well as details on how the authority is working to accommodate future growth, follow this link.

http://www.panynj.gov/AboutthePortAutho ... hp?id=1212
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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Unread postby the48thronin » Tue 24 Mar 2009, 12:00:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'F')rom Progressive Railroad


3/24/2009 Intermodal
New York/New Jersey port authority's cargo volumes flat-line in '08

For the first time in 15 years, annual cargo volume remained flat at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (PANYNJ).

In 2008, the authority handled 5.26 million 20-foot equivalent units (TEUs) compared with 5.3 million TEUs in 2007. PANYNJ officials expect volumes to decrease throughout 2009 as "the full effect of the economic downturn is realized."

However, the authority expects cargo growth at the port over the long term and is making investments to expand or upgrade ExpressRail and other infrastructure.

For more 2008 port statistics, as well as details on how the authority is working to accommodate future growth, follow this link.

http://www.panynj.gov/AboutthePortAutho ... hp?id=1212


The top five containerized import commodities by volume were furniture, women’s and infantware, beer and ale, menswear and plasticware. same source
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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

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Trucking jobs: No longer a fall back
Recession turned shortage of trucking jobs into a surplus, as volume of shipped goods slips nearly 11%.

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')DETROIT (Reuters) -- If you think now is a good time to try your hand as a U.S. truck driver with steady pay and a life on the open road, think again.

The U.S. recession has turned a serious shortage of drivers into a surplus virtually overnight. Disappearing credit has hurt production and shipments of goods of all kinds all at once, idling thousands of trucks.




$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he recent economic boom years were a "buyer's market" for good drivers, with some trucking companies seeing driver turnover as high as 130% a year. They could pick and choose their jobs and might be offered bonuses of $5,000 just to sign on for work. All that has changed with the recession.

Last autumn's holiday shopping season was slow. Small trucking firms were hurt as merchandise shipments dried up.





$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut the economy of late has not matched expectations and falling truck freight volumes -- down 10.8% in January according to the ATA -- have left many truckers jobless.

"We have seen a 40% increase in traffic since the holidays," said ATA vice president Elisabeth Barna of queries to the group's recruitment Web site www.gettrucking.com.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') truck driving license also no longer guarantees a job.

"We are still able to place students in jobs," said Robert McClanahan, executive director of the National Association of Publicly Funded Truck Driving Schools.

"But truck companies are becoming more selective, they are only taking the cream of the crop. If an applicant has a flaw on their record, we tell them up front it will be hard to place them," he said.




$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')river turnover at his company has fallen to around 50% from 90% in the boom. Average annual turnover in the industry is now around 60%.

"The driver surplus has been good for us in some respects, but I'm not naive enough to believe that we won't be battling a shortage again when the recovery comes," Schmidt said.



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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

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http://www.progressiverailroading.com/p ... p?id=19858

Go to this link, and page down to find the Carloads by Commodity. Every category is down, autos down 60.3%. Worse, grain is down 23.8%.

There is no duality, we are simply in an economic free fall. People are not producing, not shipping, and there is nothing on the shelves, so we pay more.

Atlas Shrugged!

As near as I can figure, in my simplistic way of understanding, on some level the whole house of cards is built on trust. If not in mutual trust of a handshake then on the trust that the Government will make us all play fair. Except that too many of us didn't. We have been betting with money we don't have. Now the gig is up, we have been burned, we are shy, we are not trusting. Its kinda like making the water swirl around in the bathtub, it takes a while to get it going. We hae lost hte momentum and things have stopped. Now everybody has to all circle around in the same direction to get the momentum going again.

Frankly I think those car loading numbers are pretty scary. If I'm right, and I'm not sure I am, then we are about 60 to 90 days from food shortages somewhere. And who ever is hungry will blame us.



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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 08 Apr 2009, 09:28:34

My trucking broker buddy said those empty contaner ships waiting for goods is costing the operators $75,000 day waiting.

Also, he say's the wheels are falling off........
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