Learning about Peak Oil

by **AirlinePilot** » Thu 14 Apr 2005, 16:43:11

I agree totally. It's important to consider all sides of an argument and come to your own conclusions based on the merits of the facts. Its actually pretty hard for a lot of folks to do. Especially when someone who is diametrically opposed to thier way of thinking has something to add to any particular topic.

by **PhilBiker** » Thu 14 Apr 2005, 16:45:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's important to consider all sides of an argument and come to your own conclusions based on the merits of the facts. Its actually pretty hard for a lot of folks to do. Especially when someone who is diametrically opposed to thier way of thinking has something to add to any particular topic.

by **Nano** » Thu 14 Apr 2005, 17:02:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'I')'m actually quite surprised we haven't seen a nuke yet.

by **AirlinePilot** » Thu 14 Apr 2005, 17:15:57

Phil,

Yes, action within the realm of reason and appropriate for the size and scope of the problems ahead. I'm working on it here

I frankly doubt that the American public will succeed in getting us to back down in the middle east. It's about the oil, I think I knew that one all along. A lot of other folks do to and don't neccessarily disagree with that idea either. Killing lots of capitalist american infidels all at once is the modus operandi of the Al Queda mind. The job won't ever be done to them as long as we are around. I see this as a fundamental issue not really up for debate. I think we had a definite impact on thier ability to take this campaign to us by going over there the way we did. If we let the pressure off even a little STF by.

by **notacornucopian** » Thu 14 Apr 2005, 17:22:32

Phil, you have got one set of fast fingers - inside of two minutes you managed to receive, read, quote, and type a response to AirlinePilot - Nicely done !

by **Nano** » Thu 14 Apr 2005, 19:40:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('notacornucopian', 'P')hil, you have got one set of fast fingers - inside of two minutes you managed to receive, read, quote, and type a response to AirlinePilot - Nicely done !

by **Kent** » Thu 14 Apr 2005, 20:42:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') don't think that many of us wanted to believe in the peak oil problem, but we were convinced by the facts.

by **MattSavinar** » Thu 14 Apr 2005, 23:40:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PO_TimeCr0ss', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 't')his is a good thread. call me crazy, but i totally agree with rupports theory about 911. the US government knew about peak oil along time ago and needed a fake terror attack to get the american people on board. it makes perfect sense. if you read and study all the different things going on and around the time of 911, its totally obvious. i love the video of wtc 7 emploding. the twin towers emploded also. the siesmagraphs show activity before the buildings collapsed. oklahoma city bombings , flight 800, 911, the plane that crashed right after 911 in ny, the list goes on and on. the election was also stolen. the exit polls prove that.

by **AirlinePilot** » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 01:45:44

Matt,

I don't know what fighter pilot's your talking about, but this ex Navy Hornet driver (thats an F-18 ) could teach a few guys with limited flying time to do this stuff in just a few weeks, let alone do it myself! How long were they here? How much training did they get in proper simulators? Geeze even Microsoft flight simulator has some add-ons which are FREE which almost exactly duplicate all those aircraft type cockpits, right down to proper switchology and function. The hardest part of that whole operation was getting into the cockpits, not a big deal with the way we USED to do stuff. After that pretty simple really if you were ready to die to do it. Just my two centsworth. I don't deny that there are other potential explanations, I just don't think them likely.

by **PO_TimeCr0ss** » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 02:51:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'M')att,

I don't know what fighter pilot's your talking about, but this ex Navy Hornet driver (thats an F-18 ) could teach a few guys with limited flying time to do this stuff in just a few weeks, let alone do it myself! How long were they here? How much training did they get in proper simulators? Geeze even Microsoft flight simulator has some add-ons which are FREE which almost exactly duplicate all those aircraft type cockpits, right down to proper switchology and function. The hardest part of that whole operation was getting into the cockpits, not a big deal with the way we USED to do stuff. After that pretty simple really if you were ready to die to do it. Just my two centsworth. I don't deny that there are other potential explanations, I just don't think them likely.

by **PhilBiker** » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 08:35:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nano', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('notacornucopian', 'P')hil, you have got one set of fast fingers - inside of two minutes you managed to receive, read, quote, and type a response to AirlinePilot - Nicely done !

by **RdSnt** » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 09:25:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'M')att,

I don't know what fighter pilot's your talking about, but this ex Navy Hornet driver (thats an F-18 ) could teach a few guys with limited flying time to do this stuff in just a few weeks, let alone do it myself! How long were they here? How much training did they get in proper simulators? Geeze even Microsoft flight simulator has some add-ons which are FREE which almost exactly duplicate all those aircraft type cockpits, right down to proper switchology and function. The hardest part of that whole operation was getting into the cockpits, not a big deal with the way we USED to do stuff. After that pretty simple really if you were ready to die to do it. Just my two centsworth. I don't deny that there are other potential explanations, I just don't think them likely.

by **notacornucopian** » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 10:04:04

Rdsnt, you seem to be making the same kind of judgement that was made regarding discounting Ruppert's book without even reading it. How about this, you spend some of your money to have a flight instructor take you up in a Cessna, see if he is willing to let you pilot her for a few minutes while up in the air, and then get back to us with how you found the experience. If you can, maybe find out his opinion about the "Hanjour manouver" while you are at it. Then I would say you have more qualification in judging whether that part of the official story holds water.

And Airline Pilot, what in the world are you doing wasting your time in civilian aircraft ? The Air Force I am sure would reward you handsomely if you could show them how to turn the average Joe into a crack fighter pilot so easily.

by **RdSnt** » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 12:18:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('notacornucopian', 'R')dsnt, you seem to be making the same kind of judgement that was made regarding discounting Ruppert's book without even reading it. How about this, you spend some of your money to have a flight instructor take you up in a Cessna, see if he is willing to let you pilot her for a few minutes while up in the air, and then get back to us with how you found the experience. If you can, maybe find out his opinion about the "Hanjour manouver" while you are at it. Then I would say you have more qualification in judging whether that part of the official story holds water.

And Airline Pilot, what in the world are you doing wasting your time in civilian aircraft ? The Air Force I am sure would reward you handsomely if you could show them how to turn the average Joe into a crack fighter pilot so easily.

by **notacornucopian** » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 18:15:54

Okay, but in retrospect do you think after a few weeks of intensive training you would be able to not just pull off the descent part of that manouver, but to level a 757 ( which you have never flown ) out at 400 to 450 knots, clip the tops of the light standards off yet not even touch the grass immediately in front of the point of impact ? That's the part that does not add up as far as I can see.

by **AirlinePilot** » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 23:28:57

"And Airline Pilot, what in the world are you doing wasting your time in civilian aircraft ? The Air Force I am sure would reward you handsomely if you could show them how to turn the average Joe into a crack fighter pilot so easily."

I never said any such thing. I simply stated that I could train someone within a few hours to point one of these fairly easy to fly aircraft at a building and hit it. Even at low altitude. It doesn't require anything more than some simple motor skills, good eyesight, and a bit of luck. Your making something you percieve difficult into an excuse for a conspiracy theory. I sit here with a TON of experience and tell you it's just not that hard and you choose not to listen. Thats your perogative.

by **RdSnt** » Sat 16 Apr 2005, 10:28:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('notacornucopian', 'O')kay, but in retrospect do you think after a few weeks of intensive training you would be able to not just pull off the descent part of that manouver, but to level a 757 ( which you have never flown ) out at 400 to 450 knots, clip the tops of the light standards off yet not even touch the grass immediately in front of the point of impact ? That's the part that does not add up as far as I can see.

by **PhilBiker** » Sat 16 Apr 2005, 16:27:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')egarding the Pentagon, I find the lack of video footage of a plane far more suspicious than the destruction itself. With so many people in possession of cameras something should've gotten out.

by **notacornucopian** » Mon 18 Apr 2005, 10:36:41

The funny thing about Ruppert is that he was actually blasted by a lot of 911 researchers because he went on the record saying there is no point in trying to solve the 911 puzzle anymore and there are more important things to do. I agree with him, we cannot spend a lot of time on that activity when there are other preparations to make. My only point in flogging the 911 " conspiracy " is the hope that others will at least consider that this has been part of the suppression of the peak oil truth. With that in mind, the next time there are events ( possibly staged ) that serve to get peak oil away from the mainstream conciousness, those who are peak oil aware and open to this concept will be in a better position to understand what may be behind the event itself. Those responsible for these acts, if indeed they were carefully calculated staged events, will hopefully be caught. If no one had ever questioned the official story of 911, do you think that those in positions of power would be likely to act with even greater impunity ?

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