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Unread postby PhilBiker » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 16:24:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he idea that Americans declare bankruptcy because of stupidity is wrong. The majority of Americans declare bankruptcy due to a life altering event: divorce and/or medical emergency. Keep on selling that lie that people the majority of people declare bankruptcy after a visit to Best Buy.
The "frivolous lawsuits" and "tort reform" hogwash is in the same vein.
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Unread postby PhilBiker » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 16:28:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '*') Usury laws have been pre-empted since the 1980s. I'd be far more comfortable with this bill, if Usury laws were left to the states like they were for almost two hundred years. In case you are wondering, Usury laws cap interest rates.
The reason that the usury laws were thrown out was because they were completely out-of-whack. There is a great Frontline on PBS about credit cards, one of the things they started with was that usury laws in the late 70s during high interest meant that credit card companies were bound by law to lend money at a lower interest rate than they themselves borrowed it at. Not exactly a good way to do business.
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Unread postby arretium » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 17:39:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '*') Usury laws have been pre-empted since the 1980s. I'd be far more comfortable with this bill, if Usury laws were left to the states like they were for almost two hundred years. In case you are wondering, Usury laws cap interest rates.
The reason that the usury laws were thrown out was because they were completely out-of-whack. There is a great Frontline on PBS about credit cards, one of the things they started with was that usury laws in the late 70s during high interest meant that credit card companies were bound by law to lend money at a lower interest rate than they themselves borrowed it at. Not exactly a good way to do business.


I too watched that frontline article. I also agree with your earlier point on tort reform, but that's an entirely different ball of wax.

As for interest rates and usury laws, I think of them as a good thing. But they are a thing of the past.
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Unread postby JBinKC » Sat 16 Apr 2005, 03:42:47

River I must agree with the others on the board. Usually life altering events strung together like a divorce, job loss, or a serious medical illness will be the real reason to force someone into bankrupcy.

This is coming from someone who is completely debt free all I can say is this law is not a good sign is as any potential patient in the states has restricted rights to self treatment and diagnosis for medical problems coupled with a system that does not give a written upfront quote for a medical service costs which IMO is in violation of a valid contract. It looks very likely I may have to set up a trust soon to protect myself in case I may become incapacitated.
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Unread postby BiGG » Sat 16 Apr 2005, 08:23:58

As mentioned earlier here, I completely agree legal robbery by predatory lenders has been ripping vast numbers of people off and its not just credit cards by any means.

Americans, especially poor urban African Americans owning a home and receiving a pension or social security check (but race is not the only issue as victims come from every demographic) are routinely & legally ripped off in an eye-popping 8O fashion and most have no idea just how routine this is.

Here is how it works, some little old lady walks into the finance office like Associates or American General (go ahead and sue me for saying that you pathetic bastards although I already know you will not do that because a court case will force you to open your books which we both know will prove me correct) needing money for medical bills or some other crisis that has her worried. The first thing the friendly finance scum-bag establishes is how much of a payment she can afford and fits any interest rate into the equation he or she can get away with. This interest rate has nothing to do with the person’s credit worthiness, its all about what they can get away with when taking advantage of the uneducated that were brought up trusting their “banker”. People that deserve say 10% interest will end up with interest rates of 20-30% on secured home equity loans!

I have seen countless little old ladies & others lose what little they have worked hard for in life so many times it hurts to think about it at the hands of these dirt-bags that high five each other when she leaves their office with her new loan. Another savvier person with the same credit score & other criteria will walk out of that office with much lower interest.

This practice is very common with auto & other installment loans also and it never ceases to amaze me how many get taken by this.
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