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Genetic affinity with places / Regions

Unread postby Quinny » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 12:24:22

I've always had an affinity with the rocky wild celtic areas of Uk and Europe eg Wales, West Scotland, Cornwall, Brittany. When I'm there I feel at home and at ease with life.

Similar landscapes in say Greece or Yugoslavia or other parts of the Med although as beautiful never did the same for me.

I'm supposed to have Celtic roots somewhere in my background. Could it be genetic?

Anyone else had similar feelings when they visit somewhere, particularly when they visit where there ancestors come from?
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Re: Gentic affinity with places / Regions

Unread postby coyote » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 12:38:26

I've heard that from other folks with Celtic blood, that when they go back to the Isles for a visit they feel an immediate and intense connection with the place. Could be something to it.

I doubt I'd have that reaction if I went to visit Portugal. But who knows? :o
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Re: Genetic affinity with places / Regions

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 14:40:18

Interesting thoughts.

My ancestors are from Ireland, England, and Germany, but I have never been able to visit there. I can't say for certain that I'm drawn to a specific type of landscape. I'm afraid I would be too cold and get depressed constantly in the British Isles. Neither my husband nor I do well in gloomy weather. His family is from Ireland and he is very fair, very northern looking, but was born in Florida. He prefers cooler weather than I do, but not gloomy. We have both lived in warm climates all our lives.
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Unread postby threadbear » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 15:39:47

Many people are attracted to bucolic English countryside types of landscapes, in large part, because they best imitate savannah grasslands, bordering forests. Our ancient ancestral African homeland looked like that. I read once, along the same lines, that bonsai art is the effort of the sub conscious to rework trees into miniatures of acacia trees that dot the savannah...same principle at work.

When I was in the mid and northern English countryside, I felt I was with "my people" in my country. My mother's family comes from Scotland and England. This is something I certainly didn't feel in Germany, and would less likely feel in Scandinavia, where my father's family is from. *There is something just massively off putting to me about the Swedes. Strange, because I admire their politics and much about them, but I know I would feel intensely alienated there.

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Re: Gentic affinity with places / Regions

Unread postby threadbear » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 15:41:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', 'I')'ve heard that from other folks with Celtic blood, that when they go back to the Isles for a visit they feel an immediate and intense connection with the place. Could be something to it.

I doubt I'd have that reaction if I went to visit Portugal. But who knows? :o


It is so not the same. I lived in Spain and never once felt I was with "my people" I felt like an alien species there, from the time of arrival, until I left.
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Re: Genetic affinity with places / Regions

Unread postby Stratovarius » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 15:49:10

My ancestors are Irish, Scottish, and Filipino. I never liked the ocean, I love mountainous regions with some trees but not too thick or thin. Preferably very rainy and wet.
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Re: Genetic affinity with places / Regions

Unread postby blukatzen » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 16:04:00

My ancestry is part Penn Deitsch and my ancestors came from Switzerland, and Bad-Wurttemburg. I've always felt that if I've visited Switzerland, that would be "home"..it looks so clean and fresh, just wholesome to me.

The other part of my heritage is Polish and Russian. I grew up during the cold war, and here in the U.S., Russian and the "Iron Bloc" countries were always portrayed like their architecture, gloomy, immense, cold, grey. It always seemed that there was a perpetual rain cloud always drizzling over the area in photos. Perhaps I still would love to visit the foothills of the Carpathians, where my other Ancestors are from. Now, the looming threat of Russian and Polish aggression via missle exchange is something to think on. I worry now for Latestarter on this list. We've spoken on being an expatriate, and the lifestyle for them in Eastern Europe.

So here I am, with ancestors from 2 mountainous areas, and I sit in flatland Chicago, with cement skyscrapers for "mountains". Switzerland is on my list of places to see before I die. Hubby would love to see Sweden, as one of his main family lines were the hereditary rulers of Uppsula way back when. It's a short jump by ferry on the Baltic from Poland to Sweden, so maybe on another trip.

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Re: Genetic affinity with places / Regions

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 16:10:37

Big cities like New York, LA, Hong Kong, or even Phoenix have always felt very foreign to me. I just can't feel comfortable in a place with so many people. There's something about staring off into the distance and seeing only more apartment buildings and offices that's just upsetting. There's such a disconnect between living there and the natural world. Central Park doesn't even begin to resemble real nature.

On the other end of the spectrum, big, open, flat prairies feel empty and desolate.

The hills of Tennessee feel a lot more like home. :)

I haven't gotten a chance to visit my ancient ancestral homelands of Scotland, Ireland, northern Great Britain, or Russia. I've been to London but it's so developed that it looks no different than New York.
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Re: Genetic affinity with places / Regions

Unread postby blukatzen » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 16:23:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I')'ve been to London but it's so developed that it looks no different than New York.


I wonder about that too. I know cities have their own "flavor", like Hong Kong will definitely be different than London, or NYC. But there is also the idea that a city is a city. Urban life vs. country, the "spirit of the land" is what many seek to visit when going to the "ancestral homeland" of their forebears.

In a Global economy, a cities' shops carry the same things we can get in our own city. (since everything seems to be made in China nowadays.) With ebay, or ordering over the web, do we really need to go there to "buy" something? What is the experience we are purchasing with our travel currencies?

I believe it is in the ancient countrysides where many find the experiences that they came seeking.
It is the spirit of the lands; fields, mountains and seasides they feel kinship with since the generations of their ancestors resided there.

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Re: Genetic affinity with places / Regions

Unread postby Quinny » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 18:24:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', 'N')icest city I've been is San Francisco. (Though brought my heart home !!)

Never been, but LA was a total shithole once we left the 5* hotel.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', 'W')orst city is London - Expensive nightmare.
Agree

Friendliest - Bangkok
Never been, but from what I've heard its very friendly

Most out of this world - Sarajevo

Most Historic - York, Edinburgh - yeah but lots of other

Biggest letdown (from all the hype) - New York, Paris
Yes for New York, Love Paris -

Best city for a laugh - Liverpool- Now you're having a laugh - it's a total dump - hang on though - City of Culture - Yeah that is a laugh!


Wierdest - Hong Kong (when it was ours !!) ?????

Roughest / Hardest - Glasgow - yeah 10 years ago - now Nottingham!

Best city for a night out - Manchester, Newcastle, Munich.
Agree

Most BORING city in the universe - Birmingham UK (people friendly though). Can't agree here had some fantastic nghts out in Brum, Zurich and Geneva bored me stupid along with LA.

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Re: Genetic affinity with places / Regions

Unread postby kpeavey » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 20:50:57

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Re: Genetic affinity with places / Regions

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 21:36:27

Nicest city: San Francisco, California

Worst city: Baltimore, Maryland

Friendliest: Branson, Missouri

Most out of this world: Orlando, Florida

Most Historic:
Boston, Massachusetts

Biggest letdown (from all the hype) -
New York, New York...

Best city for a laugh:
Music City, USA (Nashville, Tennessee)

Weirdest - Provincetown, Massachusetts (not really a city but it's extremely weird)

Roughest / Hardest:
Springfield, Massachusetts

Most BORING city in the universe: ALBANY, NEW YORK. It is so boring I couldn't even find a picture to demonstrate how boring it is.
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Re: Genetic affinity with places / Regions

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 14:37:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'B')ig cities like New York, LA, Hong Kong, or even Phoenix have always felt very foreign to me. I just can't feel comfortable in a place with so many people. There's something about staring off into the distance and seeing only more apartment buildings and offices that's just upsetting. There's such a disconnect between living there and the natural world. Central Park doesn't even begin to resemble real nature.


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Re: Genetic affinity with places / Regions

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 12:29:33

My wife reports that the first time she went to Canada maritime's she felt very much at home. She thinks it has something to do with the latitude as she grew up in Germany. Then when we went to Newfoundland she found similarity to the high alpine meadows with flowers growing out of seeming rock.

As for me the mood of the place means a lot, and also the aroma. I remember the first time I went home after being away for a few months. The strongest sense of homecoming I had was when we drove through a cedar swamp and I wafted the scents.

I like somewhat over grown places with a canopy. I bought property in Nova Scotia precisely because of this, it has a good piece of climax canopy with nearly open understory. If feels magical.
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Re: Genetic affinity with places / Regions

Unread postby Quinny » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 12:37:46

I've been spending a lot of time in Southern Ireland recently, and although currency rates make it hard to be comfortable (even on expenses) I feel at home and like the feel of the place.

Funny really I had a really good (cheap) night out in Southend a few weeks ago, but still felt out of place.
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Re: Genetic affinity with places / Regions

Unread postby auscanman » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 14:58:40

I don't think it's genetic affinity so much as it is your rational psychological reaction to a place that comes close to fulfilling the criteria of your ideal place to live. Our psychological reaction is based on a combination of our genes and experiences, based on what I've read, which makes sense.

Genes are likely to be involved to a greater extent in our physical reaction to various places. The loss of pigmentation in the skin as humans moved north out of Africa obviously served an evolutionary purpose. Different races are physically suited to places similar to those they traditionally lived in. This in turn has a significant bearing on one's psychological reaction to a place.
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