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THE G. W. Bush and Energy Thread pt 2 (merged)

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Postby killJOY » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 07:34:24

Peak Oil circa 2007. It doesn't matter what the f*ck he says.
Peak oil = comet Kohoutek.
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Re: Bush's energy speech

Postby NeoPeasant » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 08:29:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', 'B'). What will he propose?




Lots more drillin' and killin'
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Postby frankthetank » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 08:48:14

He'll plan to spread democracy by invading Iran and Venezuela.

He'll say that god told him to do it.

He'll spank the Prince Abdullah for being naughty and not providing our SUV's with cheap fuel.
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Postby Enquest » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 10:09:00

"Well dear fellow americans, you know my oil comany's didn't went very well. Well it happn't again, now that I'm leader of the USA and somewhat off the world the oil production is going down. It is because of me. I'm realy bad at oil, I always think there is more oil in an empty well"

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Postby Bubbling_Crude » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 10:09:10

"The California crunch really is the result of not enough power-generating plants and then not enough power to power the power of generating plants."—Interview with the New York Times, Jan. 14, 2001

"I will have a foreign-handed foreign policy."
—Redwood, Calif., Sept. 27, 2000

"I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things."—Aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

"...more and more of our imports are coming from overseas."
-- On NPR's Morning Edition (9/26)

"We cannot let terriers* and rogue nations hold this nation hostile
(hostage) or hold our allies hostile.''
—Ibid. (09/09/00)

"The mission must be to fight and win war and therefore to prevent war from happening in the first place."

"This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. And having said that, all options are on the table."—Brussels, Belgium, Feb. 22, 2005

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."—Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

"I think we agree, the past is over."
— On his meeting with John McCain, Dallas Morning News, May 10, 2000
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Postby Leanan » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 10:10:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A'). Whom will he blame?


Those evil Democrats who oppose his energy plan.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B'). What will he propose?


Passing his energy plan, so drilling in Alaska and giving huge sums of money to oil companies to encourage exploration can commence. He will also demand that the coasts of California and Florida be opened to drilling. (Sorry, Jeb, but he's re-elected now, and doesn't give a rat's rear about Florida any more.)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C'). Will he wear a sweater and tell us to turn down our thermostats?


Yes. In the middle of July.
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Postby Frank » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 12:20:13

I don't expect much at all...

Can someone post the date/time of the speech?

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Postby EnemyCombatant » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 12:42:19

Can someone post the time and date of the speech? I assume it's on CSpan.

Watch out for the double speak.

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Postby nth » Fri 15 Apr 2005, 16:27:07

Why don't anyone especially the media point out that Bush owns stocks in oil company that just got exploration rights in Iraq!

This is worse than Haliburton. At least, that one you have the excuse that no one else is really equipped to do the job.

But this one- lots of other oil companies want to be paid to do an oil survey!

On another note, Bush has started to say we have to conserve. But no details and definitely no policies. He doesn't elaborate.

I think oil firms are all telling politicians that they cannot produce anymore oil in the near term no matter what the politicians do. They have maxed out. The only hope is foreign governments coming to the rescue like what Russia did for the past 5 or so years.
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What the President had to say

Postby pea-jay » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 16:05:35

Here it is, the synopsis according to the Whitehouse web site:

Overall Goal:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the immediate term, the United States will encourage oil-producing countries to maximize their production. In the long term, we must increase our supply of energy to meet the demands of our growing economy.


At first glance it appears to maintain a continuance of business as usual. Publically anyways, the president is subscribing to the notion of surplus capacity within Saudi Arabia.

On Reducing U.S. Dependence On Foreign Energy Sources
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he United States Has Become Increasingly Dependent On Foreign Energy Sources.
* Over the past decade, America's energy consumption has increased by more than 12 percent, yet domestic production has increased by less than 0.5 percent.
* Energy Security Is A Matter of Economic Security. When America depends on only a handful of countries for almost 60 percent of its oil, the danger of major energy disruptions grows.
* Reducing Energy Dependence Requires Conservation And Exploration. By using less energy and opening up new areas to environmentally-responsible exploration, the United States can become less dependent on foreign energy sources. Developing even a tiny section of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) will reduce dependence on foreign oil by up to 1 million barrels per day.


Restating the obvious, US energy needs are dependant on the whims of a handful of nations that may or may not be amiable to our needs. In what appears a slight change in tack, conservation is now given consideration, a marked improvement from 2001 when Cheney described it as a "personal virtue" but not as policy. So now we have (mild) demand reducing policies added to the supply side energy focus.

Note the reference to the one million MBD rate. This number was not placed into any context, nor was any full description of the gravity of the situation.

On Specific strategies to be followed:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')* Use Technology To Improve Conservation And Efficiency. The average American home loses between 10 and 50 percent of its energy through inadequate insulation and inefficient lights and appliances. Extending the Energy Star program would encourage the sale and production of energy efficient products, which would increase the supply of available energy and help families meet their bottom lines.
* Increase Domestic Energy Production In Environmentally Responsible Ways. There are several ways to increase energy production without negatively affecting the environment, including opening up new areas like ANWR, implementing the President's Clean Coal Power Initiative so America can make clean use of its abundant coal supply, and expanding the nation's use of nuclear power by renewing existing law that provides power-plant operators with liability protection.
* Diversify The Nation's Energy Supply. The energy bill should make our country less vulnerable to unexpected price spikes or shifts in supply by promoting the use of renewable energy sources with tax credits, by developing alternative sources of energy like hydrogen, and by encouraging greater use of ethanol and biodiesel.
* Modernize The Domestic Energy Infrastructure. The energy bill should modernize our aging energy infrastructure to help reduce the risk of large-scale blackouts and minimize transmission bottlenecks. This can be done by repealing outdated rules that discourage investment in new infrastructure and by encouraging the development of new technologies, such as superconducting power lines, to make the grid more efficient.


Okay, now we get into some specifics on how to accomplish this. Embedded in here or his speach were no shockers or really anything new. Some strategies are innocous and probably should be followed regardless of the actual president in power. As to be expected, a majority of the big ideas tend to lie on the supply side of the equation and the underlying need to keep growing. True energy sources such as coal are promoted as are the dubious ideas of ethanol/biodiesel as well as hydrogen. His speech also described nuclear goals as well.

My overall impression: no big deal. Just add more supply, a little conservation and presto, no changes or hard choices need to be made to the "American Way of Life." No mention of geologically driven supply constraints ever entered the discussion.

Either he really believes these ideas or he needed to say something in the face of congressional inaction and rising gas prices and falling approval ratings. I still can't tell if he truly believes in a supply side solution or is biding time until the SHTF while enriching his buddies.

Here is a link to the actual transcript of his speech to the US Hispanic Chamber of Commerce
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 420-4.html
Energy part starts a quarter of the way into the transcript.
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Postby The_Virginian » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 16:23:12

What Bush said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') butt buddy Gosch and My dog snooger, fiddle up my nose, Goop bless Amerika and her tax structure, it's de best


What he was thinking:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') can't understeand the new guy from Barbados talking in my ear


What he really meant:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')get the Fugg off my case, my daddy never loved me and I was never any good at findin' oil


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Honestly amigos, have any of you heard a good speach form a politicain since reagan? (yes Regan on rare occasions). All the presidents speaches in these times contain almost zero information...

There is a policy when it comes to peons like U and me...basicly were are treated like Mushrooms: keep em in the dark and feed em' sheiss...
[urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watchv=Ai4te4daLZs&feature=related[/url] "My soul longs for the candle and the spices. If only you would pour me a cup of wine for Havdalah...My heart yearning, I shall lift up my eyes to g-d, who provides for my needs day and night."
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Postby heyhoser » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 16:24:01

Who knows what's going on in their heads? Why ignore such a potentially catastrophic problem?
Maybe I'm too untrusting of big brother, but in my mind, this is going to boil down to 'how best can we control the masses?'
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Postby NevadaGhosts » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 16:30:29

Maybe Bush just should have come out and told the truth- That it's too late and there is no fix for peak oil. Well, maybe not. That would pop everyone's fantasy bubble world.
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Postby OilsNotWell » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 16:55:23

Strong-arming SA to continually over-produce their fields is a recipe for long-term disaster to solve a short-term fix. Many have warned regarding this, including Simmons.

Like an addict or alcoholic who will do anything to get 'just one more fix' gets more and more desperate, and pretty soon is considering shooting up rat poison or drinking Listerine, it gets pretty ugly near the end...

Or, in another analogy, we're driving ourselves not only toward the cliff, but seeing the cliff, we mash the pedal down to get more speed in an insane Evel Knieval attempt to jump the Snake River...
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Postby killJOY » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 17:02:34

Flapdoodle, flapdoodle,
Have you any bull?
yessir, yessir,
three bags full.

gimme sheisse
sheisse is nice


OHMYGODLOOKTHEPOPEJUSTYANKEDMICHAELJACKSON'SFEEDINGTUBE!
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Postby Barbara » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 17:11:37

Just the usual drop in the ocean.
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Postby threadbear » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 17:15:53

I'll go with the -enriching his buddies till the sh hits the fan,-- option.
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Well..

Postby UIUCstudent01 » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 19:20:03

Well, maybe the reason for his woo-pee-dah blah blah-ness could be the fact that he was talking to older people than him. People definitely not going to see most of the effects..
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')I want to thank you for allowing me to come and speak to the United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. It's an honor to be here. I see a lot of friends -- I was going to say a lot of old friends, but -- (laughter.) Some of you are younger than I am.


Besides, today, April 20, 2005, congress is passing amendments to the Energy Bill (ANWR + other drilling even though I thought that passed, softening regulations on pollution, raising efficiency for cars, etc..) But, it's more of the same. I wonder if they could give low-energy businesses (only those businesses that are normally high-energy) tax cuts.

I don't know if it applies today, but remember the audience a speaker is talking to. (During the Lincoln-Douglas debates Lincoln said some pretty racist things in the slave owning states.)
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Postby wopik » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 20:18:49

conservation is a big part of energy savings-----electricity conservation.

Turn off those lights and turn down the thermostat -- from your web browser-------the day is soon coming.
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Bush’s Energy Disaster

Postby BabyPeanut » Thu 04 Aug 2005, 08:05:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Bush’s Energy Disaster

Time to park the SUVs in the White House garage
by JOSHUAH BEARMAN

As the Senate cast its votes on the energy bill last Friday, giving Republicans a little legislative victory before everyone skipped town for the summer, Bush issued a congratulatory statement. “I applaud Congress,” he said, “for a bill that will help secure our energy future and reduce our dependence on foreign sources of energy.” A nice sentiment — except that “securing our energy future” is the one thing the bill won’t do.

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