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THE Karl Denninger Thread (merged)

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Re: OBAMA: Are you LISTENING?

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Tue 03 Mar 2009, 16:41:30

As the Dow keeps dropping, the President is running out of people to blame.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123604419092515347.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')mericans have welcomed the Obama era in the same spirit of hope the President campaigned on. But after five weeks in office, it's become clear that Mr. Obama's policies are slowing, if not stopping, what would otherwise be the normal process of economic recovery. From punishing business to squandering scarce national public resources, Team Obama is creating more uncertainty and less confidence -- and thus a longer period of recession or subpar growth.
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Re: OBAMA: Are you LISTENING?

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 03 Mar 2009, 16:50:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', '[')b]As the Dow keeps dropping, the President is running out of people to blame.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123604419092515347.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')mericans have welcomed the Obama era in the same spirit of hope the President campaigned on. But after five weeks in office, it's become clear that Mr. Obama's policies are slowing, if not stopping, what would otherwise be the normal process of economic recovery. From punishing business to squandering scarce national public resources, Team Obama is creating more uncertainty and less confidence -- and thus a longer period of recession or subpar growth.


I agree. :cry:
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Re: OBAMA: Are you LISTENING?

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Tue 03 Mar 2009, 22:09:00

Obama is not listening. He even lets his minions attack those who point out the obvious. link $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hite House Knocks Jim Cramer For Calling Obama Budget "Greatest Wealth Destruction By a President"
You see "The One" does not care. His persona is a lie. He has another agenda..
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Re: OBAMA: Are you LISTENING?

Unread postby Livewire713 » Tue 03 Mar 2009, 22:36:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')r. Obama's policies are slowing, if not stopping, what would otherwise be the normal process of economic recovery.
Normal process of economic recovery? So what is the normal process in this situation? Are we going back to 2 SUV's in every McMansion driveway and using our houses as a open line of credit? Do people really think that their 401k earnings are coming back so they can retire? This is a peakoil site and we all know that there's no way to go back to what we had, it was unsustainable. I hear people say, were leaving our children all this debt. But what would be leaving our children if we continued down the same path we were on. I really don't think people are worried about their childrens debt when they barely showed any interest in things like deforestation, pollution, extinction or even human suffering in poor countries. So now all of a sudden were screwing future generations?
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THE Karl Denninger Thread (merged)

Unread postby Duende » Tue 03 Mar 2009, 23:58:38

Good post, Livewire713. AlexdeLarge: you have communicated your disdain for Obama to us sufficiently. What you have not communicated sufficiently is the relation between inevitable economic collapse and Obama's responsibility for it. I patiently await your reasoning.
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Re: OBAMA: Are you LISTENING?

Unread postby eastbay » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 00:22:23

He'll be held responsible for deepening the economic crisis. Not starting it. Continuing the wasteful wars and handing out cash to those who have clearly and demonstrably revealed their poor judgement in economic matters is accelerating the crisis, not solving it. But that's what he's doing. And 60% approve of the way he's performing.

Obviously no one person is responsible for starting the crisis. Everyone shares a bit of the blame for that. Some more than others, however.
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Re: OBAMA: Are you LISTENING?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 00:24:39

Anyone who would use Alex character from Clockwork Orange has to be seriously deranged, or have a sick sense of humor.

There was no sequel on what happened to Alex after his rampage.

This is because he would certainly have met his comeuppance.

There is always a champion to beat the champion, a gun or bomb or boxer who is better; waiting in the wings to unseat the enthroned. 8)
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Re: OBAMA: Are you LISTENING?

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 01:03:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'A')nyone who would use Alex character from Clockwork Orange has to be seriously deranged, or have a sick sense of humor.
Righty-right ! ;)
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Re: OBAMA: Are you LISTENING?

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 01:48:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Duende', 'G')ood post, Livewire713. AlexdeLarge: you have communicated your disdain for Obama to us sufficiently. What you have not communicated sufficiently is the relation between inevitable economic collapse and Obama's responsibility for it. I patiently await your reasoning.


Plenty of responsibility for the current situation to go around. Republicans, Democrats....or just look in the mirror!!

However, the "chosen one" did not cause the collapse..... he hastens it! As expressed by his Chief of Staff, he attends to use the crisis to its full advantage and tranform not just the political landscape but also the social construct of the country. This is a long term power grab. The idea is to use public money to fund political groups,(ACORN for example), move control of the census to the executive (Think Gerrymandering), and he already has control of a "willing" media. (Got to get rid of Limbaugh!!!!!) Of course it never hurts to have a significant portion of the population dependent on the gooberment and blaming their lot in life on an aristocracy. They hope it's a set up for one party rule. For some of you this may sound like a sweet deal,(After the bungling of the previous White House tenant) but I'm sure thats how Lenin felt in the beginning too. ;)

He brings you change !!! But you are not going to like it!

I think Machiavelli would be proud.........but then I am deranged and have a sick sense of humor ! :)
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Re: OBAMA: Are you LISTENING?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 01:57:27

Plenty of responsibility for the current situation to go around. Republicans, Democrats....or just look in the mirror!! I think Machiavelli would be proud, but then I am deranged and have a sick sense of humor ! :)[/quote]There is none so witty as the one who can tell it exactly like it is.
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Re: OBAMA: Are you LISTENING?

Unread postby bodigami » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 02:23:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'H')anding out vast... unbelievably vast ... sums of money to those who have demonstrably PROVEN that they're failures dealing with money. From failed banks and insurance companies to individuals it's Darwinism in reverse. Rewarding the weakest and having the strongest pay for it.
They, whoever they are, aren't the weakest if they have the political power to take the people's money. Darwinism has nothing to do with a 'strong' business system that's destroying the earth.
look at the bigger picture... is it natural selection for the destroyer of life on earth (humanity) to eventually commit collective suicide?
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Re: OBAMA: Are you LISTENING?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 02:27:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodinagamin', 'l')ook at the bigger picture... is it natural selection for the destroyer of life on earth (humanity) to eventually commit collective suicide?
If a new Eugenics program gets going it won't have much to do with natural selection; more to do with wealthy connections.
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Re: OBAMA: Are you LISTENING?

Unread postby bodigami » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 02:33:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I')f a new Eugenics program gets going it won't have much to do with natural selection; more to do with wealthy connections.
Eugenics? :lol: A species that has not respect for life will be wise enough to "control its own evolution"? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Was Denninger Taken to the Wood Shed?

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Thu 12 Mar 2009, 09:48:30

KD's market ticker blog is an excellent source for commentary and news in the capital markets. But have those of you who are fans noticed that since his lastest prediction of imminent collapse "Whats Dead....everything" http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/852-Whats-Dead-Short-Answer-All-Of-It.html ... he has backed off his doomerism. I know that ticker spooked the hell out of me ! ;) Note a comment from todays ticker:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y "What's Dead" Ticker made the rounds to a lot of places, including some conspiracy boards where I don't usually get much attention. The resulting traffic spike was, to put it mildly, "interesting" and forced a lot of work on an accelerated schedule to get The Ticker onto more-capable infrastructure. It has also drawn lots of questions about whether it was one of those infamous "early and thus wrong" calls, just plain wrong, or to put it more succinctly "where's the kaboom?"
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/863-Madoff,-Banking,-Morgan-And-More.html

He has also recently called for a six month suspension of "mark to market" rules. He got into a row with the folks over at "The automatic Earth" blog on that suggestion.

I think Karl's got a strong following with some of TPTB. Do you think someone suggested he tone it down a bit? A call from one of "TurboTax Timmy's" minions would be a little unnerving to anyone.
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Re: Was Denninger Taken to the Wood Shed?

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 12 Mar 2009, 09:58:51

There is no way someone can change their mind without "them" compelling them to, eh?
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Re: Was Denninger Taken to the Wood Shed?

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Thu 12 Mar 2009, 10:15:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')here is no way someone can change their mind without "them" compelling them to, eh?


Of course they can smart arse. But that ticker was a sensational bit of doomer porn if I ever saw one. That ticker went viral with over 45 thousand views. To go from "certain" imminent doom to things just suck overnight is a significant change of one's opinion. I guess citi predicting a profit changes everything ! ;)

The question I posed was did someone suggest that this ticker was equivalent to yelling "fire" in a crowded theater?

However, you could be right and he just changed his mind................
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Re: Was Denninger Taken to the Wood Shed?

Unread postby Jotapay » Thu 12 Mar 2009, 10:33:56

Historically, Karl has actually been much more conservative with his Doomerism than others. His doomerish predictions were actually not doomerish enough over the past few years, so I don't think his credibility should be questioned.

Also, Karl *hates* tin foil. It makes him visibly upset and he'll delete your account for posting it. I can see why he would not like his blog to go viral on sites that contain tin foil type material. But much of what they derided as tin foil in the past has come true, and they acknowledge that now. He still hates it though.

I don't know if his predictions in that "What is Dead" blog post will prove to be right or wrong, I just consider it another source of info in a sea of many sources. But he is not the only one predicting those sorts of things. Gerald Celente, a pretty sharp guy, is saying exactly the same thing. I'd say by the way people are buying up every single last goddamn round of ammo in the whole country, that Joe Six Pack is thinking along those lines as well.

As always, I just scour the world for as much info as possible, then prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
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Re: Was Denninger Taken to the Wood Shed?

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Thu 12 Mar 2009, 10:42:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'H')istorically, Karl has actually been much more conservative with his Doomerism than others. His doomerish predictions were actually not doomerish enough over the past few years, so I don't think his credibility should be questioned.


I agree. KD's is not a tinfoiler......so when he predicts imminent doom, people listen.
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Re: Was Denninger Taken to the Wood Shed?

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Thu 12 Mar 2009, 13:04:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'I') agree. KD's is not a tinfoiler......so when he predicts imminent doom, people listen.


he seems to have a real good understanding of credit derivatives & financial markets in general.

i find myself feeling agreement with his general statement that until financial fraud is seriously prosecuted, collapse is inevitable.

people who have a track record of misbehaving are not going to suddenly "find Jesus".

stated another way, if people had trouble getting along when resources were plenty (e.g., the 20th century), what reason is there to believe that they're going to get along better when resources are scarce ?

anybody know Denninger's background ?

until Obama gets serious about investigating & indicting, i think the best prep strategy tactic is to assume a total collapse of all financial institutions world-wide. granted, maybe only a 1/3 or a half of them will fail, but, it's hard to tell which ones.

i have a hunch that the same people that have been driving GE stock into the ground via shorting and other strategies i don't understand (making money on the way down), will then buy in when GE is more affordable - and make money on the way up.

so, if you have money to gamble with, you can make some educated guesses by figuring out which institutions have been targeted, and then investing accordingly.
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Re: THE Karl Denninger Thread (merged)

Unread postby firestarter » Thu 12 Mar 2009, 13:32:17

God, he's all over the map. One day we're collapsing the next day he's singing milk and honey.

He's very emotional with his flying off the handle calls. He's also been very wrong on the market direction since early Nov.

I'm with Illargi over at TAE. Denninger has serious credibility issues, not to mention that his trades, especially the bad long trades subsequent to Nov, tend to compromise his objectivity, thereby fueling his emotionalism. He also thinks peak oil is a sham. Mish is miles ahead of him.
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