[TreeFarmer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')A unionized worforce is the only thing that can save the US. Unions are the only means by which workers get paid a decent wage.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', 'W')hen a 1,400 sqft house in a decent neighborhood costs $600,000...

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')You know you are living in a screwed up region and should leave. NOW.

[scarly]

The rich are the ones who to me caused this, and then you want to sympathize with them by saying "OH no don't raise the taxes for them." So if they pay higher taxes I guess it will just come right back to them in the form of a bailout. The people you say are the employers of America, well as far as I have been seeing, they have moved most of the jobs over seas.
Now imagine if you were to have kept those jobs in the USA, we might not be in this dilemma. I don't know who these business owners thought was going to be able to buy stuff, when they moved everyones jobs over seas. So now Rich America can't buy cause they moved the jobs out of country, and now that all those countries have made all that product, who the hell is going to buy it now. The jobs were moved over there, because it was cheap labor so those workers are only making enough to still survive, they can't buy the stuff. There is no one. So those rich people who wanted to make more money, are the ones that caused a mess, not only for USA, but the rest of the world.
Don't sympathize with the rich, thier greed has distroyed this country. Right along with many other causes. The biggest reason across the board for our demise, is due to greed.
So the rich took what they wanted, it is now time for them to pay for it.

[AgentR]

I don't know what to say to the notion of hardship and $250,000/yr income. If you're making 250k, you're wealthy, you know you're wealthy, you should be happy to be wealthy, and shouldn't be whining about paying a tax rate that is puny in comparison to what you'd pay just about anywhere else.

I can't believe this thread would make me write something like that. Right wing, republican nutbar that I am. But *DANG*.

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', ' ')If you're making 250k, you're wealthy,

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '
')Its all relative to where you live.

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')o on less than 1/2 of a "middle class" income, we were able to rent a house in a nice neighborhood in Burbank,

[AAA]

With the above criteria there were only 4 rentals that came up on the Remax site.

The cheapest rent is $3,500/month.

Obviously there are many other rentals available but this just shows a small picture.

Also keep in mind the real estate prices shown in my previous post are prices that have fallen anywhere from 10% to 25%.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', ' ')If you're making 250k, you're wealthy,

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')Yes really. They are wealthy, and using that wealth to PURCHASE LOCATION VALUE AND COMFORT.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'Y')es really. They are wealthy, and using that wealth to PURCHASE LOCATION VALUE AND COMFORT.

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')They are wealthy; they know they are wealthy, and are just trying to cheese their way out of paying taxes appropriate to the astounding amount of money they make.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')They are wealthy; they know they are wealthy, and are just trying to cheese their way out of paying taxes appropriate to the astounding amount of money they make.

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')Burbank.
Not even a contest.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')Of that $600,000 they are spending on this house, $500k of it is LOCATION VALUE that they have chosen to purchase. How is that different than some midwesterner making 250k and buying $500k worth of some other intangible improver of self esteem?

I am fine with this; its a great thing too; they should be happy and proud to make enough to afford to live in such a place. But to then turn around and and say, "oh I'm not wealthy, I'm just middle class like all of you shmoes living in the same size house somewhere with a hundredth of the location value." It makes me ill.

They are wealthy; they know they are wealthy, and are just trying to cheese their way out of paying taxes appropriate to the astounding amount of money they make.

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')I agree. People choose to live in Los Angeles and other expensive metropolitan areas. They aren't forced to live there. It requires wealth to be able to buy a house in an expensive area. That's a fact. It doesn't make those wealthy people "middle class" if they happen to choose an expensive place to live.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '
')Have you checked real estate prices lately?

The CHEAPEST house was $609,000.00 and majority are over $1 million.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')Burbank.
Not even a contest.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '
')
I get the following excuses most often which have some merit to them.

99% of the small business owners cannot move because there is not a market outside large cities.

Most professionals could not find work outside of cities becaues of lack of jobs or lack of career advancement opportunities.