[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '
')Remember God loves us but He hates sin.

[POAlex]

Hey Ludi,

Think about it this way. If God didn't judge the world, who would?

If He let murderers, thieves and rapists to continue doing what they're doing indefinitely, how would that be loving?

Like any parent, God demands order and its always for our own good.

I look at my own life and how badly I've sinned against God. I haven't kept His Commandments. I've lied, I've stolen, I've taken His name in vain, I've lusted, hated etc. I'm guilty.

Yet in His love for me, He died on a cross to pay the penalty I owe.

That's love!

Alex

[RedStateGreen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'W')e have spread ourselves around the planet, from pole to pole and mixed up the races nicely; aiding genetic diversity for our species.(

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'H')ey Ludi,

Think about it this way. If God didn't judge the world, who would?

If He let murderers, thieves and rapists to continue doing what they're doing indefinitely, how would that be loving?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '
')I look at my own life and how badly I've sinned against God. I haven't kept His Commandments. I've lied, I've stolen, I've taken His name in vain, I've lusted, hated etc. I'm guilty.

Yet in His love for me, He died on a cross to pay the penalty I owe.

That's love!

[SeaGypsy]

Krsna to Arjuna; Baghavad Gita:

"When you suffer, be grateful ye suffer so little; consider your misdeeds and the greatness of the Mercy you receive."

[Ludi]

Do you think people should suffer more, SeaGypsy?


Who is transgressing, and who is being merciful?

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'D')o you think people should suffer more, SeaGypsy?


Who is transgressing, and who is being merciful?

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', 'I') saw a black tulip in my garden today.

Just one.

Gasmon

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'H')ey Ludi,

Think about it this way. If God didn't judge the world, who would?

If He let murderers, thieves and rapists to continue doing what they're doing indefinitely, how would that be loving?
(...)

[SeaGypsy]

The 'Just World' scenario proposed by many churches especially Islam; is a total crock of shite.

I remember when the Tsunami hit, especially hard in Aceh Indonesia; a hardline Islamist anti secular rebel province. The Aceh independence movement died in a flash after 25+ years of bloodshed.
Why? Because the Muslims saw the deaths of so many as proof that Allah did not approve of them. Over 150,000 people died including many women and children of course.

The Just World Scenario is great when nothing is going bad for us or anyone we care about. When we are suffering or those we love are suffering it's another story.

If there is a God s/he is way to big for us to grasp, understand or control.

Personally I choose to believe God exists in the Nuetron field, which physics says makes up the vast majority of the universe.
I choose also to believe that we have effectivley 2 bodies; a material body represented by proton/ electron embodiment and a parallel body composed of nuetrons. Therein is our immortality. God is the laws of the 'Spiritual' and physical universe.

But thats just a belief.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'P')ersonally I choose to believe God exists in the Nuetron field, which physics says makes up the vast majority of the universe. I choose also to believe that we have effectivley 2 bodies; a material body represented by proton/ electron embodiment and a parallel body composed of nuetrons. Therein is our immortality. God is the laws of the 'Spiritual' and physical universe. But thats just a belief.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'W')here is your neutron body located? Does it occupy the same space and weigh the same amount as your normal material body? And wouldn't that make you weigh twice as much as you actually do?

[Quinny]

Don't waste your time there is no god.

[Newfie]

Gia's revenge? - nope Gia couldn't give a damn about us.
Constructed disaster? - Not by God - does not exist. Not by Man - too stupid.

Nope just our own stupid genes are to blame. There is no Natural Selection bias towards not having kids. Left amuck in the Agar jar we have breed ourselves (well our grandchildren - at my age) to death.

Cheers!

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'G')ia's revenge? - nope Gia couldn't give a damn about us.
Constructed disaster? - Not by God - does not exist. Not by Man - too stupid.

Nope just our own stupid genes are to blame. There is no Natural Selection bias towards not having kids. Left amuck in the Agar jar we have breed ourselves (well our grandchildren - at my age) to death.

Cheers!

[Newfie]

SeaGypsey,

I have no hope of changing your mind, nor you mine so the argument is pointless.

Just to state my position, so you know my point of view, not for argumentation.

There is no GOD. You are responsible. Therefore you are your own God. I don't know who created what. I know that it is easier for me to believe that the universe and life started spontaneously rather than to believe that God started spontaneously. I can't chase the chicken and egg argument. There are some things that we just simply do not know and likely never will. I never could figure out who created God. It seemed specious to invent God to create Man and Universe. What do I invent to create God? Just a mindless do loop.

One man's long and deeply held conviction. No point arguing for I am pig headed - and right.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')
Life has NEVER been shown to SPONTAINIOUSLY ARISE IN ANY CIRCUMSTACES.

A favorite Guru of mine was asked: " Why don't you teach this as a Science; if is really Science, why teach it as a religion?"

His answer "I will dissolve my Temple and give all It's collective wealth to the 1st scientist to create life from mere elements."
(At the time he had mega following, a temple worh untold millions).

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')he 'Just World' scenario proposed by many churches especially Islam; is a total crock of shite.

I remember when the Tsunami hit, especially hard in Aceh Indonesia; a hardline Islamist anti secular rebel province. The Aceh independence movement died in a flash after 25+ years of bloodshed.
Why? Because the Muslims saw the deaths of so many as proof that Allah did not approve of them. Over 150,000 people died including many women and children of course.

The Just World Scenario is great when nothing is going bad for us or anyone we care about. When we are suffering or those we love are suffering it's another story.

If there is a God s/he is way to big for us to grasp, understand or control.

Personally I choose to believe God exists in the Nuetron field, which physics says makes up the vast majority of the universe.
I choose also to believe that we have effectivley 2 bodies; a material body represented by proton/ electron embodiment and a parallel body composed of nuetrons. Therein is our immortality. God is the laws of the 'Spiritual' and physical universe.

But thats just a belief.

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'W')here is your neutron body located? Does it occupy the same space and weigh the same amount as your normal material body? And wouldn't that make you weigh twice as much as you actually do?