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THE Avian (Bird) Flu Thread Part 2 (merged)

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Re: THE Avian (Bird) Flu Thread Part 2 (merged)

Postby Byron100 » Sun 14 Dec 2008, 11:50:22

Can anyone tell me what the possible effects of a 1918-style pandemic would have on the US health care system?

As it stands now, the private health insurance system is predicated on a constant percentage of the population falling ill each year, just like life insurance actuarial tables, etc. Now, if we have a massive pandemic and the utilization rate of health care services rockets by like a 1000%, how would the insurance companies fare in such a scenario?

Is it really too much for me to think that the entire private health care sector would go right down the tubes in such a pandemic?

It's still my closely-held opinion that the US will never get a Canadian-style health care system until the current one is utterly crushed into oblivion. If a bird flu pandemic has the potential to do this, then I say, BRING IT ON! :-D
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Re: THE Avian (Bird) Flu Thread Part 2 (merged)

Postby chuck6877 » Mon 12 Jan 2009, 19:29:12

I've been a member of this "HEALTH FREEDOM" group for a while. They're fighting the Codex Alimentus which you need to know about if you don't know about it.

They've also come about information that the Bird Flu has been weaponized and will be used to reduce the world's population on purpose by the elites. Read "Crossing the Rubicon"??? Remember the article in there about all the microbiologists being killed all over the world?

The one thing that can kill the bird flu virus and almost anything else is NANO SILVER. Now Nano Silver is under attack and they're trying to take it off the market. Read below:


Join this group. Send the email to your congressman. Learn about Codex Alimentus. Help protect our health freedom.......
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Join their group at www.healthfreedomusa.org
Mobilization Alert

"Final Attack Has Started.
If it Succeeds, the Pandemic Will Follow"

Action Item
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/56 ... _KEY=26405

EPA CONSIDERING CALLING NANO SILVER A "PESTICIDE" - BAN IT UNLESS WE ACT BY JAN 20th

"Those 'internationalists' who want to see humanity culled by the 'inevitable' pandemic about which we at Natural Solutions Foundation have raised the alarm these past months cannot succeed so long as a general immune system support nutrient exists around which dangerous pathogens cannot mutate. So long as we have a nutritional defense to the pandemic UN and other authorities tell us will happen 'soon', we now doubt it will actually take place as quickly as forecast.

That protective nutrient is nano silver, in the presence of which none of the naturally deadly or even weaponized pathogens can survive. So it was to be expected that major attacks on silver would predate the actual start of the pandemic. Years ago the Food and Drug Administration, the FDA, forbade any health claims about silver (through our Health Freedom Action eAlerts we have, however, made millions of people aware of the protective benefits of silver). And now the Environmental "Protection" Agency, the EPA, weighs in with potentially devastating regulations of topical uses (see docket EPA-HQ-OPP-2008-0650).

Yes, that 'final' attack has started and if successful - if nutrient and topical silver are removed from the market - you can be sure the pandemic will soon follow."

Click here( http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=1773 ) to learn more.

Click here( http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/56 ... _KEY=26405 ) to take action.

Now tell your entire circle of influence about this, email them this Health Freedom Action eAlert with a line or two of your own at the top asking them to take action and then forward it to their circle of influence to do the same, and so on. Time is short. The issue is enormous and the outcome of this campaign might mean the difference between life and death - a whole lot of death.

Sadly, when the Natural Solutions Foundation's Ralph Fucetola alerted a group of silver manufacturers, health freedom activists and silver advocates to this danger, of which they were previously unaware, they responded that there was no problem since only TOPICAL Nano Silver was under attack! We presume that they have never heard the homily of the camel's nose under the nomad's tent. We regard their comfort level as ill-advised, naive and, in fact, down right foolish.

We are taking on this Defense of Nano Silver Action and we know that you will want to help keep Nano Silver on the market both because of your right to have what every health products and strategies available to you that you choose (Freedom) and for the very pragmatic reason that Nano Silver could, literally, save your life (Health).

Nano Silver recently saved the lives of two Panamanian friends whose conventional medical care was not touching the serious infections from which they were so desperately ill.

We need to respond vigorously to this threat to our freedom and our lives. Taking this tool away from us makes us easier to control - or kill - with manufactured and natural dangers like drugs or the weaponized Avian Flu strain and Avian Flu vaccines, for example. To send your comments to the EPA, click here: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/56 ... _KEY=26405

Click here ( http://www.nutronix.com/naturalsolutions ) to lay in a good supply of the Nano Silver we reccomend and use. ( http://www.nutronix.com/naturalsolutions -> "Products" tab -> Scroll down to "Silver Solution" on left hand side of page, then click).

Are we strong enough to stop Big Pharma on this one? I believe so: we must mobilize your community of influence to do so, and mobilize it quickly!
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Re: THE Avian (Bird) Flu Thread Part 2 (merged)

Postby carbniky » Tue 13 Jan 2009, 20:34:18

Just stay away from stores and hospitals.
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Re: THE Avian (Bird) Flu Thread Part 2 (merged)

Postby wisconsin_cur » Sun 25 Jan 2009, 03:24:00

IHT

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')EIJING: A woman in China's far west has died from the H5N1 strain of bird flu, the Health Ministry said Saturday, the country's fourth death from the virus this year as the biggest festive season approaches.

The victim, a 31-year-old woman from Urumqi, the capital of the Xinjiang region, had been to a live poultry market before she fell ill on Jan. 10, the official Xinhua News Agency reported, citing Wang Xiaoyan, a deputy director of the regional health department. She died Friday.

A woman in eastern China, a teenage boy in southwest China and a woman in Beijing have also died from the disease this month.


I only note because:
A) the deaths are spread out across China and
B) everyone is traveling this weekend due to Chinese New Year.

I find A the most interesting and am not quite sure what to make of it.
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Panasonic repatriates families due to pandemic flu fears

Postby Homesteader » Wed 11 Feb 2009, 01:55:37

Panasonic Orders Some Families Home on Pandemic Risk (Update1)

By Kanoko Matsuyama and Pavel Alpeyev

"Feb. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Panasonic Corp., the world’s largest maker of consumer electronics, ordered Japanese employees in several emerging markets to send their families back to Japan on concern of a potential influenza pandemic.

The company in December instructed staff assigned to parts of Asia, Africa, eastern Europe and South America to repatriate their families by September, Akira Kadota, a spokesman for Osaka- based Panasonic, said by telephone today."

Link: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... rgmB6nSoU8

Looked and didn't see this posted anywhere.
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Live Avian flu "accidentally" mixed with flu vaccine!!!

Postby Micki » Fri 06 Mar 2009, 22:30:20

Baxter has "accidentaly" contaminated flu vaccine with H5N1 and sent to neighbouring countries.
If bird flu, which isn't airborn is mixed with seasonal flu H3N2, which is super airborn, and you infect someone with both at the same time, this person can act as an incubator forming a new combined virus. A super airborn leathal birdflu.
It was discovered by fluke as the vaccine was tested on ferrets and they died, something they shouldn't if it was just normal flu vaccine. Baxter of course denied and then refused to give details as it was considered tradesecrets but it has since then been confirmed that it was live birdflu. Investigations are underway in 4 countries now.
And mainstream news are generally silent.
It is hard not to become a believer in conspiracies after this.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he shocking answer is that this couldn't have been an accident. Why? Because Baxter International adheres to something called BSL3 (Biosafety Level 3) - a set of laboratory safety protocols that prevent the cross-contamination of materials.




$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he contaminated product, a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 viruses, was supplied to an Austrian research company. The Austrian firm, Avir Green Hills Biotechnology, then sent portions of it to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany.

The contamination incident, which is being investigated by the four European countries, came to light when the subcontractor in the Czech Republic inoculated ferrets with the product and they died. Ferrets shouldn’t die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses.

Public health authorities concerned about what has been described as a “serious error” on Baxter’s part have assumed the death of the ferrets meant the H5N1 virus in the product was live. But the company, Baxter International Inc., has been parsimonious about the amount of information it has released about the event.

On Friday, the company’s director of global bioscience communications confirmed what scientists have suspected.

“It was live,” Christopher Bona said in an email.

The contaminated product, which Baxter calls “experimental virus material,” was made at the Orth-Donau research facility. Baxter makes its flu vaccine — including a human H5N1 vaccine for which a licence is expected shortly — at a facility in the Czech Republic.

People familiar with biosecurity rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted.

Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences.

While H5N1 doesn’t easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.


http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html

http://www.infowars.com/%E2%80%98accidental%E2%80%99-contamination-of-vaccine-with-live-avian-flu-virus-virtually-impossible/

Blog with links to Czech news sources.
http://www.911blogger.com/node/19517
Last edited by Ferretlover on Mon 09 Mar 2009, 12:34:04, edited 2 times in total.
Reason: Merged with THE Avian (Bird) Flu Thread pt 2.
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Live Avian flu "accidentally" mixed with flu vaccine!!!

Postby Micki » Fri 06 Mar 2009, 22:32:12

Baxter has "accidentaly" contaminated flu vaccine with H5N1 and sent to neighbouring countries.
If bird flu, which isn't airborn is mixed with seasonal flu H3N2, which is super airborn, and you infect someone with both at the same time, this person can act as an incubator forming a new combined virus. A super airborn leathal birdflu.
It was discovered by fluke as the vaccine was tested on ferrets and they died, something they shouldn't if it was just normal flu vaccine. Baxter of course denied and then refused to give details as it was considered tradesecrets but it has since then been confirmed that it was live birdflu. Investigations are underway in 4 countries now.
And mainstream news are generally silent.
It is hard not to become a believer in conspiracies after this.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he shocking answer is that this couldn't have been an accident. Why? Because Baxter International adheres to something called BSL3 (Biosafety Level 3) - a set of laboratory safety protocols that prevent the cross-contamination of materials.




$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he contaminated product, a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 viruses, was supplied to an Austrian research company. The Austrian firm, Avir Green Hills Biotechnology, then sent portions of it to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany.

The contamination incident, which is being investigated by the four European countries, came to light when the subcontractor in the Czech Republic inoculated ferrets with the product and they died. Ferrets shouldn’t die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses.

Public health authorities concerned about what has been described as a “serious error” on Baxter’s part have assumed the death of the ferrets meant the H5N1 virus in the product was live. But the company, Baxter International Inc., has been parsimonious about the amount of information it has released about the event.

On Friday, the company’s director of global bioscience communications confirmed what scientists have suspected.

“It was live,” Christopher Bona said in an email.

The contaminated product, which Baxter calls “experimental virus material,” was made at the Orth-Donau research facility. Baxter makes its flu vaccine — including a human H5N1 vaccine for which a licence is expected shortly — at a facility in the Czech Republic.

People familiar with biosecurity rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted.

Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences.

While H5N1 doesn’t easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.


http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html

http://www.infowars.com/%E2%80%98accidental%E2%80%99-contamination-of-vaccine-with-live-avian-flu-virus-virtually-impossible/

Blog with links to Czech news sources.
http://www.911blogger.com/node/19517
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Re: Live Avian flu "accidentally" mixed with flu vaccine!!!

Postby Armageddon » Fri 06 Mar 2009, 22:35:48

This is one of the biggest stories EVER and nobody is paying attention.
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Re: Live Avian flu "accidentally" mixed with flu vaccine!!!

Postby DefiledEngine » Sat 07 Mar 2009, 01:35:38

Wasn't there a thread already where old man Mike Ruppert was talking about this and people were calling him a nutcase and no way this could be true?
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Re: Live Avian flu "accidentally" mixed with flu vaccine!!!

Postby jupiters_release » Sat 07 Mar 2009, 03:52:33

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Re: Live Avian flu "accidentally" mixed with flu vaccine!!!

Postby Fishman » Sat 07 Mar 2009, 04:54:55

Never do the nasal vaccine to be sure, the injection is dead virus.
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Re: Live Avian flu "accidentally" mixed with flu vaccine!!!

Postby cynthia » Sat 07 Mar 2009, 12:34:25

The Sheeple are so complacent, no doubt Flu shots would be an easy transmission point for such sabotage.
I've never had a flu shot, never will.
Flu shots are developed on an educated guess of what likely strain will prevail months ahead of the manufacturing. Plus all the other garbage that goes into the injections.
No thank you!
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Re: Live Avian flu "accidentally" mixed with flu vaccine!!!

Postby WildRose » Sat 07 Mar 2009, 13:57:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cynthia', 'T')he Sheeple are so complacent, no doubt Flu shots would be an easy transmission point for such sabotage.
I've never had a flu shot, never will.
Flu shots are developed on an educated guess of what likely strain will prevail months ahead of the manufacturing. Plus all the other garbage that goes into the injections.
No thank you!
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I agree.

My workplace is really putting pressure on the staff to have flu shots the last couple of years; I wonder if soon it will become mandatory. Fortunately, I'm transitioning to working at home over the next couple of months so it shouldn't be an issue for me anymore.
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Re: Live Avian flu "accidentally" mixed with flu vaccine!!!

Postby arford1213 » Sat 07 Mar 2009, 21:06:06

They have found a solution to the over population problem .

Ask yourself how could a f...up this bad be an accident .
and why isn't it in the news ?

I found only 3 stories when i Googled news 8O

http://www.therightperspective.org/?p=1855

http://www.smartbrief.com/news/aabb/sto ... 3E30DAD898

http://www.smartbrief.com/news/aabb/sto ... 3E30DAD898

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Re: Live Avian flu "accidentally" mixed with flu vaccine!!!

Postby Sixstrings » Sat 07 Mar 2009, 21:14:32

I've always steadfastly refused to get those flu shots. I have no major health problems going on (that I know of, knock on wood), so I've always figured I'm better off keeping my natural immune system strong and not relying on flu shots every year.

The folks I know who do get flu shots seem to get the darn flu right after.
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Re: Live Avian flu "accidentally" mixed with flu vaccine!!!

Postby Daniel_Plainview » Sat 07 Mar 2009, 21:20:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he contamination incident, which is being investigated by the four European countries, came to light when the subcontractor in the Czech Republic inoculated ferrets with the product and they died. Ferrets shouldn’t die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses.


Those poor ferrets... :!:
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Re: Live Avian flu "accidentally" mixed with flu vaccine!!!

Postby Micki » Sat 07 Mar 2009, 23:22:39

I haven't got my flushots either, but that won't make any difference.
There are millions other out there who will.
The fact that I didn't take my flushots isn't going to protect me when avian goes airborn.

It is becoming clearer and clearer now why being microbiologist has been one of the most dangerous occupations. And what Rockefeller said about media keeping their mouths shut to allow the international bankers implementing their plan for the world further completes the picture.
Anyone still believing that 911 was too horrible of an act to be an inside job is now clearly standing out as a selfdeluding lunatic.

Spreading avian is a crime against humaity. The closest we have come to anything like this was the spanish flu 1918 that killed up towards 40millon people. That was in a world without global travel (large parts were also locked down becasue of world war) and with significantly less population.

It is fair to assume a cure or vaccine agaisnt this already exists but how many deaths there are first of course depends on when they are willing to start selling the cure and to what scale.

These acts make them enemy combatants against the rest of humanity.
From here on all acts agaisnt them therefore are fair game just like it until now has been a fair game for them to imprison without trial and torture anyone they considered enemy combatant.

I doubt there is little we can do here at PO but it is a personal responsibility now to help spreading the messages even more. The more people that are aware, the more public opinion will be raised. The illuminsts are a minority and only have power as long as they can order people to turn weapons on their own. The more outspoken public opinion there is the more likely there will be breakout groups forming on the inside and the more whistleblowers there will be.
The whole system is just like a fiat currency built on perception and acceptance that things are the way they are. Once the perception changes the illusion disappears.
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Re: Live Avian flu "accidentally" mixed with flu vaccine!!!

Postby KevO » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 05:55:53

Come on people.
There's too many of us and the only way back to growth is a 60% global die off and only H5N1 can achieve that
and the planet will benefit as a whole and the 40% remaining can live in abundance

:? :shock: 8O
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Re: Live Avian flu "accidentally" mixed with flu vaccine!!!

Postby KevO » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 06:10:30

recent great die offs

WW1 - Archduke Ferdinand assassinated. Austrian
WW2 - Hitler an Austrian

What's with Austria?
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Re: Live Avian flu "accidentally" mixed with flu vaccine!!!

Postby Jotapay » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 11:47:10

Already posted in Current Events forum last week. This is huge, I agree. It looks like they are trying to create start a pandemic.
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