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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby SeaGypsy » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 17:28:20

These JERKS think they DESERVE to be at the top of the evolutionary pyramid.

They are probably the opposite of correct.

The gene pool in the rich countries has been coddled for a few generations; no less in rich than poor of those countries.

The strongest genes are most likely in Africa, along with 98% of the variety in the human genome.
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby Pops » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 17:50:57

The thing about "Blue Blood" is it is already depleted of oxygen and in humans, visible only through skin protected by shadows.

But no matter, we here are all supported by Oil Slaves, the poor and weak perhaps more or less than the Blue Bloods but if you aren't then stand up and be counted...

... No?

Me either.


Oh yea, lets not advocate any kind of extermination, the Staff has other things to occupy their time.
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby Alcassin » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 17:54:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')he strongest genes are most likely in Africa, along with 98% of the variety in the human genome.


And what makes them more efficient.
They know how to live with much less.
They are used to it.
Practice makes perfect.

Under such circumstances they are the winners of survival of the fittest.
Not white, bored, bourgeoise males who think nature is on their side :lol:
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby TWilliam » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 17:55:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hese conversations are not abstract for me. Several members of my family are old or disabled.

Yes, and the day may soon come when you regret that such conversations were not given more thoughtful consideration by people with opinions similar to your own on the matter. For your sake I hope that it doesn't.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')o you advocate hospitals kill "grifters"?

Grifters are essentially criminals. There is already a system in place for dealing with them, tho' imo it needs to be radically streamlined and stripped of its profit motive. As suggested by someone up-thread, I would favor opportunities for genuine rehabilitation and restitution, but for those that are clearly 'career' criminals, death. Hospitals would be unnecessary in this case.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hank you. It is quite popular to advocate murder - "culling" "cutting the rope" - here on po.com.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder]Murder[/url] as defined in common law countries, is the unlawful killing of another human being with intent (or malice aforethought), and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia]Euthanasia[/url] (from the Greek eu = good + thanatos = death) refers to the practice of ending a life in a painless manner. Many different forms of euthanasia can be distinguished, including animal euthanasia and human euthanasia, and within the latter, voluntary and involuntary euthanasia.

Please note that in the definition of the latter, nowhere is there an equation with murder. Your attempts to draw that equation are disengenuous, Ludi, and do not alter the fact that the two are worlds apart.
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby Ludi » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 18:00:19

No,TWilliam, I find your manner of communicating to be very confusing. You seemed to be advocating the "culling" of people including criminals. My mistake.

I am NOT giving a false appearance of simple frankness, I am trying to figure out what you are REALLY trying to say.

It looks to me like you are advocating killing people.

You say you are not. So I was in error.

You SEEM to be calling members of my family "parasites" and advocating they be "culled."

Is this or is this not true? You think the disabled should be euthanised?
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby AlexdeLarge » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 18:04:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')he strongest genes are most likely in Africa, along with 98% of the variety in the human genome.


And what makes them more efficient.
They know how to live with much less.
They are used to it.
Practice makes perfect.

Under such circumstances they are the winners of survival of the fittest.
Not white, bored, bourgeoise males who think nature is on their side :lol:


What a bigoted thing to say ! ;) Change a couple of words and refer to another ethnic group and the thought police would lock you up ! LOL
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby Pops » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 18:11:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', ' ')Change a couple of words and refer to another ethnic group and the thought police would lock you up ! LOL

Show us an example.
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Re: Can the media please stop interviewing Republicans?

Postby Ludi » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 18:12:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', ' ')discussion in greater depth regarding what I consider some possible humane approaches to the issue are verboten on this particular forum.



If what you want to do with "parasites" is not "murder" that, is, not illegal killing of another human being, then why is it forbidden to discuss on this forum?
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 18:18:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'E')veryone other than gardeners, engineers and pleasure workers are expendable. Actually, I'm not even sure about us engineers, I will redouble my efforts at gardening..
So how's the pleasure worker business these days? I did 5 years getting the oil out of the ground and 5 years making irrigation products so at least I did some non-parasite time. Never been in the pleasure worker field. Too late now.
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby Pops » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 18:26:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'N')ever been in the pleasure worker field. Too late now.

Yea, me too.

Well maybe in the self-sufficient sense.

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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 18:40:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'N')ever been in the pleasure worker field. Too late now.

Yea, me too.

Well maybe in the self-sufficient sense.

:oops:
You gotta be 100% self sufficient, Pops. No maybes allowed. :P Too bad I couldn't find David Lee Roth and his Just A Gigolo. I wanted to post it here.
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby AlexdeLarge » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 19:07:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', ' ')Change a couple of words and refer to another ethnic group and the thought police would lock you up ! LOL

Show us an example.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ouncil of Europe
The Council of Europe has worked intensively on this issue. While Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights does not prohibit criminal laws against revisionism such as denial or minimization of genocides or crimes against humanity, as interpreted by the European Court of Human Rights, the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe went further and recommended to member governments to combat hate speech under its Recommendation R (97) 20. The Council of Europe also created the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (www.coe.int/ecri ) which has produced country reports and several general policy recommendations, for instance against anti-Semitism and intolerance against Muslims.


[edit] Denmark
Denmark prohibits hate speech, and defines it as publicly making statements that threaten, ridicule or hold in contempt a group due to race, skin colour, national or ethnic origin, faith or sexual orientation.[22]


[edit] Finland
Finland prohibits hate speech, kiihotus kansanryhmää vastaan/hets mot folkgrupp, and defines it as publicly making statements that threaten or insult a national, racial, ethnic or religious group or a similar group.[23]


[edit] France
France prohibits the publication of material which is defamatory or insulting, or which incites discrimination, hatred, or violence against a person or a group of persons on account of place of origin, ethnicity or lack thereof, nationality, race, or specific religion. The law prohibits incitement to discrimination, hatred, or violence against persons on the basis of their sex, sexual orientation, or handicap. The law prohibits declarations that justify or deny crimes against humanity, for example, the Holocaust. French law allows a plaintiff to launch an action on account of hate speech in a criminal court or in a civil court. The Public Prosecutor can turn a civil action into a criminal action. The penalties include imprisonment, a fine, or both.[24]

In 2002, a court found writer Michel Houellebecq not guilty of inciting racism for saying during an interview that Islam was "the stupidest religion."[25]
In 2006, Paris Mosque, the Union of Islamic Organizations of France, and the World Islamic League began its suit against Charlie-Hebdo magazine and its director Philippe Val for publishing caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad. The Islamic organizations complained that the caricatures, which were from a Danish newspaper, Jyllands-Posten, insulted Muslims. On 22 March 2007, a court ruled against the plaintiffs.[26]
In 2007, a correctional tribunal in Lyon sentenced Bruno Gollnisch to a three-month, suspended prison-term and a fine of €55,000 for the offense of verbal contestation of the existence of crimes against humanity because of his remarks about the Holocaust.
In 2008, legendary French actress Brigitte Bardot was convicted for the fifth time for inciting racial hatred. The Movement Against Racism and for Friendship between Peoples (MRAP) filed the charge against Bardot because, in a letter to the government about the Muslim festival of Eid-al-Kabir, she complained about "this population that leads us around by the nose, [and] which destroys our country." [27]

[edit] Germany
In Germany, Volksverhetzung (incitement of hatred against a minority under certain conditions) is a punishable offense under Section 130 of the Strafgesetzbuch (Germany's criminal code) and can lead to up to five years imprisonment. Volksverhetzung is punishable in Germany even if committed abroad and even if committed by non-German citizens, if only the incitement of hatred takes effect within German territory, e.g. the seditious sentiment was expressed in German writ or speech and made accessible in Germany (German criminal code's Principle of Ubiquity, Section 9 §1 Alt. 3 and 4 of the Strafgesetzbuch).



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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby TWilliam » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 19:22:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'N')o,TWilliam, I find your manner of communicating to be very confusing. You seemed to be advocating the "culling" of people including criminals. My mistake.

I am NOT giving a false appearance of simple frankness, I am trying to figure out what you are REALLY trying to say.

It looks to me like you are advocating killing people.

You say you are not. So I was in error.

You SEEM to be calling members of my family "parasites" and advocating they be "culled."

Is this or is this not true? You think the disabled should be euthanised?


I am not advocating anything, Ludi. I am acknowledging what will be. And I'm not trying to say anything; I'm ASKING, and what I'm asking are these questions: dieoff WILL be occurring in the not-to-distant future. Whether by human action, or by human INaction, it WILL occur. Given that this is an unavoidable fact, which is preferable? Death at the hands of brutal Nature (meaning in this case the inevitable outcome of unchecked population growth, i.e. the 'collapse of civilization'), or death at the hands of a caring, compassionate human being?

Suppose everything and everyone you rely on to maintain your existence and that of your family were gone tomorrow Ludi? Are you able to maintain it yourself? Are they? Which of the above options would you prefer? Which do you suppose they would prefer?

What about your children (if you have any)? What if your insistence on being supported in your disability meant they were certainly doomed to an early death, without even the opportunity to have children of their own? What if your graceful and willing surrender to Thanatos meant that they might at least have a chance? What choice then, Ludi?

What choice on a global scale? We're not going to save everyone. It's simply not possible, and it is pointless to presume otherwise. So then again: what choice? Stubbornly insist that we MUST save everyone, or worse yet, simply ignore the issue because it happens to make us uncomfortable, thereby likely condemning all to pain, misery and death? To species extinction? Or do we do the sensible thing and try to devise some way to intelligently and humanely reduce our numbers? And if so, why is it not reasonable to make some kind of attempt to maximize our long-term survival through a selective, rather than a random reduction?

What criteria then for selecting? I've still yet to hear anyone offer better ones than those I've proposed, or offer a non-moralistic, pragmatic reason why those particular criteria are inappropriate. Remember now, we're talking a choice that WILL be made. The option not to choose does not exist.

[Addendum: Oh and incidentally I thought I was clear on this point up-thread, but just in case I wasn't, I'll make it so now. I do not consider congenitally disabled people as 'parasites'. Nature considers them genetically non-viable, and I simply support honoring Nature's judgment at the occasion of birth.]
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby Pops » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 19:28:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', ' ')Change a couple of words and refer to another ethnic group and the thought police would lock you up ! LOL

Show us an example.

Thanks for the links, very interesting.

But I was wondering how you would change a few words in the quote you cited so as to be locked up by the current day police in the US.
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby Alcassin » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 19:41:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')he strongest genes are most likely in Africa, along with 98% of the variety in the human genome.


And what makes them more efficient.
They know how to live with much less.
They are used to it.
Practice makes perfect.

Under such circumstances they are the winners of survival of the fittest.
Not white, bored, bourgeoise males who think nature is on their side :lol:


What a bigoted thing to say ! ;) Change a couple of words and refer to another ethnic group and the thought police would lock you up ! LOL


Yellow, red and black, bored, bourgeoise males whether Hindu, Muslim or Christian are also done in survival of the fittest :lol:
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby Bas » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 19:46:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')he strongest genes are most likely in Africa, along with 98% of the variety in the human genome.


And what makes them more efficient.
They know how to live with much less.
They are used to it.
Practice makes perfect.

Under such circumstances they are the winners of survival of the fittest.
Not white, bored, bourgeoise males who think nature is on their side :lol:


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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby AlexdeLarge » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 19:55:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')But I was wondering how you would change a few words in the quote you cited so as to be locked up by the current day police in the US.


The ADL and other groups have been pushing for laws simlar to those Europe. In the US there are numerous instances of job termination, being demoted and sent to sesitivity training etc. for speech deemed hate spoken against "specific" ethnic groups. Look at how many public figures have been trampled by the mob on the mere slightest hint of racism towards blacks, muslims. Remember Don Imus??

However, it doesn't seem to flow the other way. Remember Obama 's mentor for Twenty years. Any other politician would have been run out of politics on a rail for such associations. But in our screwed up country, even dissent against "The One" makes you, in the eyes of the faithful, a de facto racist.

Or is just my imagination ! ;)
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby TWilliam » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 19:59:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', 'Y')ellow, red and black, bored, bourgeoise males whether Hindu, Muslim or Christian are also done in survival of the fittest :lol:

Don't count on it. The top ten-percenters don't get there by accident...
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Re: Can the media please stop interviewing Republicans?

Postby TWilliam » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 20:09:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')f what you want to do with "parasites" is not "murder" that, is, not illegal killing of another human being, then why is it forbidden to discuss on this forum?

Because I am not discussing 'what I want to do', I am exploring a needed maturation of public perspective, with an eye toward such options no longer being illegal.
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby Pops » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 21:08:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'O')r is just my imagination ! ;)

I don't know, you made a statement which I thought you might be able to back up with something other than side-mouthed propaganda.


Oh Yea, Imus, what a paragon of American virtue. At least he sacrificed his job in public for saying out loud what you only tippy-toe around on an anonymous message board.

Had he called one of my girls the cracker equivalent of a Nappy-Headed Ho in my earshot he would have lost more than his job.


Of course you, as a first amendment defender, encourage people to talk that way about your daughters.

My complements on your open mindedness.
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