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Re: Dow index value less than half its peak

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 28 Feb 2009, 15:40:15

"The only common sense in the government lies with a group of individuals in the house (mostly Republican)..."

For a brief moment, when I found out that they were among the few in congress standing up against the first TARP fiasco, I was of a similar opinion. But then I found out their main gripe was that they thought the solution was to undo even more of the little regulation of corporations left on the book or still enforced.

Clearly, these guys are the blindest of the blind bats leading our government. They have sailed the ship of state off the face of the earth and are now blaming Obama for not being able to steer it back to calm waters.
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Re: Dow index value less than half its peak

Unread postby yesplease » Sat 28 Feb 2009, 18:26:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'E')xcellent post Cid. The market, looking for any leadership, any stability, sees Obama. Every time he speaks the market crumbles. The best stim plan would be for him to take another Hawaii vacation. Though no fan of the rich, the simple fact is the market creates jobs. We are so screwed.
It tends to be the other way around. The market is a good indicator of the economy and jobs, as opposed to the economy and jobs indicating the performance of the market because it creates them. If the market was really that good at creating, and conversely losing, jobs, then when the market fell to ~25% of it's value in 1932, employment should've also fallen to ~25%, but it's low was at ~75%. While the market does create some jobs, since every business endevour does, it's performance for the most part is based off of how the economy as a whole is doing.
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Re: Dow index value less than half its peak

Unread postby joewp » Sat 28 Feb 2009, 21:01:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', 'J')ust to inject some reality...

You are of course right, Joe. Tho' that doesn't stop a goodly number of of idiots from insisting that it has absolutely nothing to do with anything. After all, math is "just more leftist alarmist conjecture." What a f*cking moron... :roll:


Oh, you read that post on my site. :P

If you read further you'll find out that guy works at a refinery and is convinced that we just need more refining capacity to handle all the heavy crude in Venezuela and that will solve all our problems and it'll be back to steady growth.

Speaking of the Dow(n), I just read Buffet's letter to shareholders, and he seems to think this downturn will last a couple of years at most, and we'll be back happily growing again. Even fairly intelligent people are taken in by the growth addiction.
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Re: Dow index value less than half its peak

Unread postby TWilliam » Sun 01 Mar 2009, 13:48:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', 'O')h, you read that post on my site. :P

If you read further you'll find out that guy works at a refinery and is convinced that we just need more refining capacity to handle all the heavy crude in Venezuela and that will solve all our problems and it'll be back to steady growth.

I read your whole conversation. He may work at a refinery, but I suspect he's little more than a grunt. Sounds like he knows nothing more about industry realities than the typical ignorant 'shop talk' one usually finds amongst the peons in any industry...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')peaking of the Dow(n), I just read Buffet's letter to shareholders, and he seems to think this downturn will last a couple of years at most, and we'll be back happily growing again. Even fairly intelligent people are taken in by the growth addiction.

Oh I suspect he's right, after a fashion at least. More than a few on this site have discussed their expectation that we'll likely see an 'oscillating decline' over the coming years. Economic contractions, followed by brief recoveries that won't attain the level of 'prosperity' of the previous up-cycle, followed by another decline and even lesser recovery, etc. etc. I'm not so sure on the 'couple of years at most' part tho'. What we're seeing now is basically just the wavefront of the sub-prime fallout, and the reset spike on Option ARMs doesn't even start until 2010...
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