Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

STEO has production 4mbpd BELOW consumption

General discussions of the systemic, societal and civilisational effects of depletion.

Re: STEO has production 4mbpd BELOW consumption

Unread postby yesplease » Wed 18 Feb 2009, 01:33:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', 'I') couldn't get historic figures for 2009 (since we're in 2009). The STEO historical estimates show consumption almost flat, in 2008, compared with 2007. OECD stocks declined in 2008, compared to 2007. The projections for 2009 have consumption down 1.17 mbpd and OECD stocks down, not up. Could you provide a link to what you were looking at?
Just compare January of 2009 with January of the past few years using the EIA STEO browser. For a comprehensive review, compare the past nine months yoy. As for projections, the EIA hasn't been too accurate in that arena, so I try to stick with the recorded consumption/production figures.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', 'O')ne month's figures make it hard to draw conclusions. For example, the previous month, December, saw an increase in consumption, over December 2007, of about 1.5 mbpd. So the two month fall was much smaller. Again, not enough to refer to the reduction as a steep decline.
It isn't just one month, barring December, all of the past nine months have seen similar or significantly lower levels of consumption compared to the same time during the previous year. December could have been the beginning of a trend in increased consumption, which is why oil prices poked above $40/bbl IMO, but as we can see from the January data it looks like groups were just stocking up, since the increase did not hold. Obviously this trend could change and consumption could shoot back up, but we have three quarters of a year of similar or reduced consumption barring one month, so as trends go this is seen as a steep decline. Granted, it isn't in the sense that it isn't whatever percentage (5, 10, 25, 50, etc) we feel is steep, but it is steep when looking at the history of oil consumption. Given over two decades of rising oil consumption, any drop is probably going to be seen as steep.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Professor Membrane', ' ')Not now son, I'm making ... TOAST!
User avatar
yesplease
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3765
Joined: Tue 03 Oct 2006, 03:00:00

Re: STEO has production 4mbpd BELOW consumption

Unread postby TonyPrep » Wed 18 Feb 2009, 03:49:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'I')t isn't just one month, barring December, all of the past nine months have seen similar or significantly lower levels of consumption compared to the same time during the previous year. December could have been the beginning of a trend in increased consumption, which is why oil prices poked above $40/bbl IMO, but as we can see from the January data it looks like groups were just stocking up, since the increase did not hold. Obviously this trend could change and consumption could shoot back up, but we have three quarters of a year of similar or reduced consumption barring one month, so as trends go this is seen as a steep decline. Granted, it isn't in the sense that it isn't whatever percentage (5, 10, 25, 50, etc) we feel is steep, but it is steep when looking at the history of oil consumption. Given over two decades of rising oil consumption, any drop is probably going to be seen as steep.
Consumption varies a lot. Look at January. It's down over the previous January but that saw a huge jump in consumption over a year earlier, leaving Jan 2009 only slightly down on Jan 2007. December's consumption saw a huge jump over the previous December, which was similarly higher than the one before that. November's consumption saw a significant drop but it was still higher than two years previous, by about the same margin as it dropped compared to November 2007. October is similar to November but with the gap over two years previous being even wider.

Looking at the months Oct through Jan, for the last 4 such periods, we get the following averages (roughly, I assumed all 4 months were 31 days, when only 3 are): 86.58, 86.99, 85.5, 84.75, with the most recent 4 months first. We see only a 0.47% drop in consumption. Yes, it's more when compared against what consumption would have been if it had risen by similar amounts to previous years, but that would only be about 1%. That is not steep in anyone's language and definitely not when we consider that production has been virtually on a plateau for 4 years.

No, the data don't support the language used by OPEC. Other forces would appear to be at work other than consumption decline.
User avatar
TonyPrep
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2842
Joined: Sun 25 Sep 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Waiuku, New Zealand

Re: STEO has production 4mbpd BELOW consumption

Unread postby TonyPrep » Sat 28 Feb 2009, 17:40:38

I don't think there is much evidence that OPEC cuts have been very large. The IEA's OMR shows only a .9 mbpd cut between the 3rd and 4th quarters, the EIA estimate is about 1 mbpd cut in production. Certainly not enough to, on it's own, enable consumption to be above production. It would have been comfortably above production, even without any decline in OPEC production, at least according to the EIA estimates.

Consumption, in 2008, was only slightly below 2007 (by .37 mbpd) and still comfortably above 2006 consumption (by .57 mbpd), according to the IEA. According to the EIA, 2008 consumption was virtually unchanged from 2007 and almost 1 mbpd above 2006.

What I'm trying to point out is the consumption has not seen a huge decline, contrary to what OPEC officials would have us believe and what article after article suggest. At least there is no data to support such a view. There has been consumption decline but it does not appear to be very large, yet. I chose the months Oct-Jan because the recession was worsening during that time - US GDP, for example, shrank 6.2% in the fourth quarter. But consumption hardly declined at all.

Oil prices have climbed recently, despite continuing economic and equity market woes. Perhaps some sort of economic reality is beginning to dawn.
User avatar
TonyPrep
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2842
Joined: Sun 25 Sep 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Waiuku, New Zealand

Previous

Return to Peak Oil Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 28 guests

cron