[TheSupplyGuy]

I can't believe this is happening to me. All of you that read Matt's article on the Plame case should know this name: Joseph Wilson. A certain Joseph Wilson is coming to the school I'm currently attending on Tuesday to talk to us and answer questions. There's only 23 kids in my class. Any suggestions of questions to ask him would be appreciated.

[WaterBearer]

Matt wrote an article on the Plame case?

Or are you referring to the thread he started on the FTW article?

For that matter, whatever happened to the "something big is in the mix" piece that Matt was going to write? I waited for days to see a link to that one, and I can't find anything on LATOC that I haven't already read.

[tkn317071]

So apparently this is THE Joe Wilson who made the bush team look stupid and whatnot.

I guess I would ask him if he has read the FTW article and what he thinks about it.

I might also ask him how far he is willing to go to hold bush and co. accountable for criminally outing and endangering and ending the career of his wife.

[Aaron]

I would like to know if he feels "outting" spies is treason?

[Pops]

I wonder if he thinks lying about WMDs to justify war is an impeachable offence?

[TheSupplyGuy]

He spent so long talking that he only had time for about 3 questions. I believe he answered more at his book signing, but I didn't get to go to that . Anyhow, his speech was mostly about how we need a new administration and him proving that the papers in Niger were false. I did get a chance to ask him this, however(only one at my school to get to ask him a question, yeah):
Do you feel that George Tenet's resignation has anything to do with the case involving you wife?
And to paraphrase him, he said:
Though it does seem odd how he quit, I take his word for it, and doubt that it had anything to do with Valerie.

I don't know if that enlightens anybody, but i just thought I'd let yall know.

[Pops]

Cool TSG.

He seemed like a believable guy on the tube, how did you find him in person, re: impending nuke bombing raid on US by long distance flying camel?

[Peachy]

Have you seen these accusations of ties between Plame, the outed CIA agent wife of Joe Wilson and ARAMCO the Saudi oil company?
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From The Wilderness[/url]
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ot only was Plame's cover blown, so was that of her cover company, Brewster, Jennings & Associates. With the public exposure of Plame, intelligence agencies all over the world started searching data bases for any references to her (TIME Magazine). Damage control was immediate, as the CIA asserted that her mission had been connected to weapons of mass destruction.

However, it was not long before stories from the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal tied Brewster, Jennings & Associates to energy, oil and the Saudi-owned Arabian American Oil Company, or ARAMCO. Brewster Jennings had been a founder of Mobil Oil company, one of Aramco's principal founders.

According to additional sources interviewed by Wayne Madsen, Brewster Jennings was, in fact, a well-established CIA proprietary company, linked for many years to ARAMCO. The demise of Brewster Jennings was also guaranteed the moment Plame was outed.

[TheSupplyGuy]

I was in the same room as her and didn't even realize it. Sigh, the questions I could've asked. I doubt she could have answered, but just the fact to ask. I don't doubt what fromthewilderness says in those quotes. The only questionable part is US military involvement, but I'm starting to not even doubt that.

[WebHubbleTelescope]

If true, I find it ridiculous that the administration would blow an elaborate con-setup. It was either pettiness or incompetance that alllowed the con to be exposed.

More here: http://mobjectivist.blogspot.com/2004/06/aram-con.html

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WebHubbleTelescope', 'I')f true, I find it ridiculous that the administration would blow an elaborate con-setup. It was either pettiness or incompetance that alllowed the con to be exposed.

More here: http://mobjectivist.blogspot.com/2004/06/aram-con.html

[WebHubbleTelescope]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think it is a combination of pettiness, incompetence, and incredible hubris/arrogance.

[gg3]

Bush has been alienating the military & intel communities badly. You've also seen the news items about underestimating troop strength requirements in Iraq, undersupplying troops in the field, neglecting Afghan reconstruction, sending troops into battle with inadequate training, and lately the stop-loss and IRR draft. All of these have pissed off the military and done it actual harm. Not to mention causing needless Allied and civilian casualties.

Here are the pieces I know of that haven't received a lot of coverage:

1) Frequent talk on the news, by administration spokespeople, of "intercepting terrorist chatter." This is the equivalent of Roosevelt going on the radio in WW2 and talking about Enigma (the Allied cryptanalysis of Nazi military codes). Predictably, there was a news item not long ago saying that Al Qaeda have switched over to hand-couriers for sensitive messages.

2) One of the things that happened in the Chalabi affair was that US cryptanalysis of Iranian military and diplomatic ciphers was compromised. The news stories said that an Administration official bragged about it to one of Chalabi's Iranian spies over drinks. Then the Administration came out and confirmed the news story, when they really should have issued a no-comment memo.

Both of these, and other items not published but of comparable significance, have majorly pissed off NSA, the agency that is responsible for signals intelligence. Basically, our intelligence capability in that area has been set back for five years on each of two fronts. And it will be grueling hard work to get back to where we should be.

In fact, the entire premise of the war in Iraq was based on bad intel provided by the disinformation network of Iranian spies under Chalabi. Which was eagerly accepted by the Administration since it fit with the Administration's theories.

Though I sometimes disagree with Matt about certain things, he's got it right on target when he says "pettiness, incompetence, and incredible hubris/arrogance." And all of that is going to come home to roost in November.

To give you an idea of exactly how alienated the military are right now, the current going phrase for Bush, among officers & enlisted, is "Deserter In Chief." If you know anything about military culture, where honor and integrity count for everything, then you know exactly how scathing that phrase is.

[WebHubbleTelescope]

qq3:
All your points have to do with administration/pentagon incompetance with respect to military matters. I consider that important, but it serves to hide the equally vital but totally underreported corporate oil/OPEC alliances. Thus, the importance on intelligence on the oiligarchy, and how Plame fit into that.

[gg3]

re. WebHubbleTelescope (can I abbreviate that as WHT?):

Seems to me that Plame's apparent work assignment would have been *helpful* to the American oil interests, by developing important facts about potential Saudi weaknesses.

Or are you suggesting that there might be a conflict between two sets of oil interests that factor into the administration: one, US oil companies & our national interest; two, international capital interests that do not coincide with our national interest...? In that case it would be someone representing the latter who outed Plame to spite the former. That would seem to narrow the suspect list, slightly.

What also bugs me about some of this is, the apparent fact that we can't even count on *American* companies to be *loyal* to *America* any more!

This goes back at least to WW2 where e.g. SKF Bearings was telling the US Army Air Corps, "sorry we don't have enough spare parts for your fighter planes" while selling the very same parts to the Wehrmacht. The bastards should have been tried for treason on that one. But hey, it's never too late to start!

[WebHubbleTelescope]

Finance and oil are inextricably linked.

The Saudi's and Kuwait's oil capitalization are both backed by the almighty Dollar. Iraq was once backed by the dollar until they started to move to the Euro. Other oil countries with Euro leanings include Iran, Venezuela. And then you notice that England doesn't use the Euro.

The conspiracy theory is that the USA is preemptively short-circuiting the exodus away from the Dollar toward the Euro.
http://mobjectivist.blogspot.com/2004/06/confluence.html

The other magic words: Cheney's Secret Energy Task Force. Apparently, Cheney and Rumsfeld were both involved in one of these ongoing secret meetings during the Reagan administration, and it involved succession of the U.S. gov't in times of a nuclear attack. As Tom Waits would say "What's he building in there?"


re: WWII, research Bush's grand-relatives (I suppose #41 and #43 can't be blamed for this whealing-dealing)