[Serial_Worrier]

It seems that there is an atmosphere of fear, suspicion, paranoia pervading the country. Of course it's worse to be a conservative anywhere, especially on any university campus. I believe we already live in George Orwell's 1984, but it just hasn't been made into law. People are voluntarily engaging in "groupthink", rooting out "thoughtcrime", 2-minute hate, putting facts down "the memory hole", etc... By the time the government gets around to mandating all this, the people will have already arrived. There is no freedom of thought anymore, nor is it allowed.

[PrestonSturges]

Well, with W leaving, there is less of concern about being wiretapped, kidnapped, tortured, or being subjected to the "2 minute hate" like what was directed towards the Dixie Chicks,

Yes the media is pounding Obama as hard as they can (check mediamatters.com), but the corporate media is badly hamstrung by the fact that none of them have a new corporatist scam to replace the banking scam.

As far as the memory hole, yes Republicans are doing their best to deny that Bush43 ever existed.

Other than that, the wheels have fallen off the GOP propaganda machine, which is sounding crazier and crazier. They are pretty much recycling classic white supremacist cliches to the base that is holed up waiting for a race war. Their message is going to resonate most strongly with the 1-2% of the population is clinically paranoid who have found each other via the internet. The GOP is pretty much urging them to assassinate Obama. The faint squishy noise off in the distance is their circle jerk.

[TreeFarmer]

A Lot of people are beginning to see it like I see it:

Democrat = Tax = Spend
Republican = Borrow = Spend

Notice how both equations end up at the same place.

TF

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'I') Of course it's worse to be a conservative anywhere,

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'W')ell, with W leaving, there is less of concern about being wiretapped, kidnapped, tortured, or being subjected to the "2 minute hate"

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreeFarmer', 'A') Lot of people are beginning to see it like I see it:

Democrat = Tax = Spend
Republican = Borrow = Spend

Notice how both equations end up at the same place.

TF

[Tiberius]

Democrat = less war?
President at start of WWI = Woodrow Wilson = democrat
President at start of WWII = FDR = democrat
President at start of Korean War = Harry Truman = democrat
President at start of Vietnam War = JFK/Lyndon Johnson = democrats

the Bushes are the only exception to this in the past 100 years or so.

So I think you should rephrase it as
Democrat = Tax = spend less on defense resulting in more war
Republican = Borrow = spend more on defense resulting in less war.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tiberius', 'D')emocrat = less war?
President at start of WWI = Woodrow Wilson = democrat
President at start of WWII = FDR = democrat
.

[Fishman]

Clearly, the title of this thread runs true. Doesn't seem like we'll be changing each others mind either. The question arises how long will we discuss this online vs taking to the streets vs other options. Bad economic times lead to less discussion (even heated) and more of other options, at least historically. Got lead?

[AlexdeLarge]

Poisonous Politics??? You mean like................

The cult of personality surrounding "The One"
Mainstream media completely biased and in the tank for the Messiah.
Public supported groups like ACORN committing voter fraud on his behalf.
All dissent against Lord Obama in our politically correct world is de facto racism!
Moving the Census Department under direct control of the excutive branch. (This will come in handy next election cycle!)
The fairnesss doctrine part deux trying to make a come back. ( Can't have those pesky, racist, homophobes on talk radio stirring up the masses!)
Restricting gun ownership.
Lord Obama's chief of Staff saying "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste."
Hiding, in a ridiculously large spending bill, money to create a Data base to house all your health records. (For private goobermint use only! LOL)
Bankrupting the Country.

And the biggest thing of all that says we may have a toxic political environment!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mos swooning and throwing his panties at Obama like a teenage girl at a Jonas Brothers concert!

Welcome to HopeNchange!!!

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'C')learly, the title of this thread runs true. Doesn't seem like we'll be changing each others mind either. The question arises how long will we discuss this online vs taking to the streets vs other options. Bad economic times lead to less discussion (even heated) and more of other options, at least historically. Got lead?

[Fishman]

Ludi, if one picks up a history book this single thread would point to lots. Commies, Nazis, charismatic leaders, control of data about people, restriction of rights by either side. With bad economic times tempers flare. However I think powder will burn at other places before the US. We tend to segregate ourselves by state, I hope.

[Ludi]

I'm asking YOU, Fishman, what YOU think you need "lead" to fight over. Or what your neighbors would need lead to fight over.

[erl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')Yes the media is pounding Obama as hard as they can...

[Fishman]

Now Ludi, first you asked about "they", then you asked about "me" then you asked about my "neighbors". I was speaking more of large group dynamics. Your question will have to go unanswered, Stalin's minions asked such questions as yours.

[PrestonSturges]

Project much?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'P')oisonous Politics??? You mean like................

The cult of personality surrounding "The One"

BUSH

Mainstream media completely biased and in the tank for the Messiah.

BUSH

Public supported groups like ACORN committing voter fraud on his behalf.

YOU MEAN STEALING 2000 AND 2004 FOR BUSH

All dissent against Lord Obama in our politically correct world is de facto racism!

DISSENT AGAINST BUSH IS DEFACTO TERRORISM

Bankrupting the Country.

BUSH

[Fishman]

Preston, post your data to back up your statement.
Pew Charitable Trust ( a liberal media watchdog) and Washington Post ( a liberal paper) ombudsman both clearly documented bias in the last election against McCain. Rather was fired for his bias, Oberman was moved off his coverage of the election due to his bias. Opinion, opinion. Give some data.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'P')reston, post your data to back up your statement.
Pew Charitable Trust ( a liberal media watchdog) and Washington Post ( a liberal paper) ombudsman both clearly documented bias in the last election against McCain. Rather was fired for his bias, Oberman was moved off his coverage of the election due to his bias. Opinion, opinion. Give some data.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'P')oisonous Politics??? You mean like................

The cult of personality surrounding "The One"

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tiberius', 'D')emocrat = less war?
President at start of WWI = Woodrow Wilson = democrat
President at start of WWII = FDR = democrat
President at start of Korean War = Harry Truman = democrat
President at start of Vietnam War = JFK/Lyndon Johnson = democrats

the Bushes are the only exception to this in the past 100 years or so.

So I think you should rephrase it as
Democrat = Tax = spend less on defense resulting in more war
Republican = Borrow = spend more on defense resulting in less war.