[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nano', 'H')owever, I would be more in favour of another utopian vision: a low-energy, pacifist society protected by a very harsh, well-armed (high-energy) military. Perhaps something like the old caste system of ancient India. Maybe something like that will work again in the future?

[gary_malcolm]

Phil,

You're really coming off as a blowhard. Lighten up baby! That having been said, let me quibble with your "Dianetics" diatribe. Once more you have an opinion on a work which you have not read. Neat... having actually read that garbage, I can tell you that it is self-realization hoo-haw. There, I've actually given you an opinion based on experencial evidence, albeit second hand.

You may now continue blowharding.

Gary

[Armageddon]

this is a good thread. call me crazy, but i totally agree with rupports theory about 911. the US government knew about peak oil along time ago and needed a fake terror attack to get the american people on board. it makes perfect sense. if you read and study all the different things going on and around the time of 911, its totally obvious. i love the video of wtc 7 emploding. the twin towers emploded also. the siesmagraphs show activity before the buildings collapsed. oklahoma city bombings , flight 800, 911, the plane that crashed right after 911 in ny, the list goes on and on. the election was also stolen. the exit polls prove that.

[Armageddon]

i think people are also failing to recognize the snow ball effect theory. when the economy declines from the raising cost of energy, things will collapse quickly. this entire economy is based on people borrowing the bankers money. the federal reserve ( which isnt federal ) lends money to the US government and charges interest. massive inflation is on the horizon also. when the slowdown hits this time, people are so over indebted , they wont be able to borrow their way out , because of their debt burden. and the government cant lower interest rates because they have already done that to stimulate growth. the government has to raise rates so foreign money is invested into the US government. its a double edged sword. we on on the brink of a total economic collapse, and it wont take very long for it to happen. by q4 watch we will see the beginning of it.

[AirlinePilot]

"call me crazy, but i totally agree with rupports theory about 911. the US government knew about peak oil along time ago and needed a fake terror attack to get the american people on board. it makes perfect sense. if you read and study all the different things going on and around the time of 911, its totally obvious. i love the video of wtc 7 emploding. the twin towers emploded also. the siesmagraphs show activity before the buildings collapsed. oklahoma city bombings , flight 800, 911, the plane that crashed right after 911 in ny, the list goes on and on. the election was also stolen. the exit polls prove that."

Ok, your crazy!

I think you need to look into the hard facts about what happened on 9/11 a bit more on your own. If you believe all that stuff above then you really may just be crazy. I won't discount that it's impossible, but I will say most of it isn't likely. I would not say your wrong , just that you are grasping at what has to be the much less likely probability as to what happened. Ever heard of Occam's razor?

[PO_TimeCr0ss]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 't')his is a good thread. call me crazy, but i totally agree with rupports theory about 911. the US government knew about peak oil along time ago and needed a fake terror attack to get the american people on board. it makes perfect sense. if you read and study all the different things going on and around the time of 911, its totally obvious. i love the video of wtc 7 emploding. the twin towers emploded also. the siesmagraphs show activity before the buildings collapsed. oklahoma city bombings , flight 800, 911, the plane that crashed right after 911 in ny, the list goes on and on. the election was also stolen. the exit polls prove that.

[Kent]

Actually, the offical "party-line" version of the events surrounding 9/11 (you know...15 guys freshly out of flying school armed with box cutters under the evil-but-brilliant leadership of a guy in a cave) is in and of itself a conspiracy theory (with very little hard evidence to support it). This outlandish story would be laughable were it not given creedance by the U.S. government, sustained by its corporate media, and fully supported without question by the vast majority of its citizens who look to their "leaders" to determine what Americans should know, how they should feel, what range of debate is acceptable, and which questions, lingering doubts and conflicting evidence should be dismissed outright, lest an individual be labeled "a conspiracy theorist," "unpatriotic" or simply "crazy."

[threadbear]

Airline Pilot, Since when has Occam's razor been applied to political science? It's a scientific concept. Tell a historian you believe Occam's razor should be applied to their area of study and see the reaction you get.

[Nano]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nano', 'H')owever, I would be more in favour of another utopian vision: a low-energy, pacifist society protected by a very harsh, well-armed (high-energy) military. Perhaps something like the old caste system of ancient India. Maybe something like that will work again in the future?

[AirlinePilot]

I wouldn't call a whacked out conspiracy theory on the cuases of 9/11 political science. Using this analogy works just fine here IMHO.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nano', 'W')ith the decline of oil, you'll agree we're certainly heading for a return of slavery sooner or later

[Nano]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nano', 'W')ith the decline of oil, you'll agree we're certainly heading for a return of slavery sooner or later

[PhilBiker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')est assured in time it will. Industrialisation and cheap oil liberated the slaves. Depletion and the end of cheap oil will eventually shackle them again. For good this time!

[Nano]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', 'I') have worked with government employees off and on for many years. The idea that so many US government employees would be in on a plot to murder thousands of Americans is so incredibly preposterous that it would be laughable, if not for the fact that some nuts actually believe it.

[threadbear]

Airline Pilot, The most whacked out, convoluted, highly implausible, theory, is the official explanation of 911. True believers in the status quo, with their tin foil caps of officialdom, ALWAYS get sucked in with this nonsense.

[AirlinePilot]

All of us in this industry knew that this was possible. The intelligence community knew it too. The failure was in the ability to connect the dots for a badly decimated covert infrastructure. Nothing whacked out about it at all really. If we in the cockpits had gotten ONE warning in the weeks/months prior things would have been vastly different in the skies that morning. They had this intel (about using aircraft as weapons) and failed to let the very folks who might be able to do something about it know. We are still failing miserably with the flight deck duty officer program. Sorry but can't go into detail about that one.

[threadbear]

Airline Pilot, I don't think anyone holds the airline's responsible for 911 Opinion is mixed about the ease with which people who had never flown or trained in large airplanes could have pulled this off. This is a very fair source of suspicion. Even if this issue was clarified successfully, there are several other areas of suspicion to resolve. Wouldn't you agree?

[AirlinePilot]

I have read the thoeries and persoanlly I've come up with the realization that I'm not surprised this wasn't tried sooner. Yes there are some areas of suspicion and I will never say something isn't possible. In my realm of experience though I just can't get my arms around the fact this was all contrived. Just becuase I have an opinion doesn't make it right. At this point, I don't think it was anything other than a very succesful terrorist attack, well thought out, and with consequences they knew would result from it.

I'm actually quite surprised we haven't seen a nuke yet.

[threadbear]

That's entirely fair, A Pilot. I actually have a hard time with entertaining the notion that it's completely contrived too, (and I'm a nut!)

What leads me to believe that it could have been designed, is just that. If I have trouble thinking it's contrived, most Americans with any degree of education, schooled firmly in the idea that "conspiracies can't happen" would find it damned near impossible to entertain that idea.

Taken a step further, the entire situation easily boils down to two questions: Could it be reliably assessed beforehand, that the educated class would be completely averse to the idea of premeditation and conspiracy?

I would say yes--I think the understanding of group psychology by people within intelligence agencies and other agencies with access to sophisticated computerized modelling systems is very advanced, and could reliably predict that the idea of conspiracy would be dispicable to the class that shapes public opinion.

My second question is--If my conclusions about the first question are correct, wouldn't this provide a very safe arena of operations for conspirators?