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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Jotapay » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 20:56:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'I') don't play. I don't have any social networking accounts.

1) My point was that I can get close to you from this site with only my limited abilities.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'I')'ll make the comparison like this. Do you put a huge sign in your front yard that has all of your personal information and your current activities? Of course not, because that would be stupid.

If you think there aren't people out there who can see and connect random comments smaller than the huge sign you describe, you aren't nearly as paranoid as you seem.

2) PO is public, just like facebook, telcom, whatever.

3) If you've something to hide I think you best keep it to yourself.


This is really tiresome. 1) I'm not worried about you. The point is that I do not like corporations and the government spying on me, it's none of their business and I have a right to privacy. The supreme court has interpreted the constitution to mean that I have a reasonable right to privacy. 2) Like I've said three times now, PO.com is not like Facebook. All your personal information can be gathered on one web page on Facebook. There is no way you could gather that much information from the one Facebook page on the 1500 PO.com posts of mine. 3) This is a total logical fallacy and something a statist would say. I have nothing to hide, but I have a reasonable expectation for privacy. Like I said before, I'm so squeaky clean my coolo smells like roses, but I demand my privacy when others are unreasonably spying on my activities.
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Pops » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 22:32:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'T')his is really tiresome.

Yea, I agree, all this stuff about data mining (posted on a public board no less) is fairly tiresome, but it never seems to tire.

But hey, post up whatever you like, wherever you like, leaving whatever trail and be sure to speculate that some shadowy someone somewhere is watching.

Shhhh!




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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby alokin » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 22:43:32

You could invent false trails to keep them working.

OKOK, I could get used to LINUX and get a ubuntu, but first is there a Firefox version for Linux and a Thunderbird? Second Are you sure that big brother cannot trace you in LINUX? It's a bit enerving maybe using two systems.
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby dinopello » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 22:52:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alokin', 'Y')ou could invent false trails to keep them working.


Exactly. I love it when the survey people call, they always get messed up info from me.
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Jotapay » Fri 20 Feb 2009, 00:17:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'T')his is really tiresome.

Yea, I agree, all this stuff about data mining (posted on a public board no less) is fairly tiresome, but it never seems to tire.


I take the constitution more seriously than you, I think. I'll do the thinking for you, evidently. In the mean time, it seems you will just allow yourself to be spied upon and do nothing about it like a subject who believes government knows best. It is insulting to have you cross my path and denigrate my active adherance to the constitution while you prosetylize your apathy, however. Such ignorance and civic retardation will never go without comment when put before me. You are a citizen and I expect you to act like it; you get no free pass with me.
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby alokin » Fri 20 Feb 2009, 02:39:14

and now, please answer if LINUX is really that much safer, maybe some of these IT jobs mentioned above were for data mining in LINUX systems?? If it's safer for let's say two years, then it is really worth while, and does Mozilla run under LINUX??

The discussion between you (jotapay) and pops is really a bit strange you're both telling there is data minig, only that jotapay tells let's make it a bit more difficult for them. Nobody tells here that forums are not public and cannot be traced, but that's work, the government has to pay for it instead of simply opening facebook.
Or you make a completely idiotic facebook page, fiction.
What me worries are that friends could put something about you in facebook, even picture, which is against the law.

I can' t really look at facebook as I don't want to sign up, but I would like to have a look. (edited for this)
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby ReverseEngineer » Fri 20 Feb 2009, 03:41:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'T')he internet is like the wild west. Anything can happen on it and navigating it safely comes with the territory.

You should see the jobs that the federal government is posting in the IT sector. Some of them are really, really juicy. It is obvious that the government is taking IT and the internet very seriously now, where I think they lagged behind the private sector in the past. Some of these jobs are paying upwards of $100K-150K/year for technical programming/development jobs. That is a great salary for a good developer in today's market.


I suppose they are going to tax all the Facebook Users so they can pay the Goobermint Nerds to spy on them? Where is the money going to come from for all these IT Geeks on the Goobermint payroll? Ben is gonna print it up? What?

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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Quinny » Fri 20 Feb 2009, 04:16:18

Yes

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alokin', 'a')nd now, please answer if LINUX is really that much safer, maybe some of these IT jobs mentioned above were for data mining in LINUX systems?? If it's safer for let's say two years, then it is really worth while, and does Mozilla run under LINUX??The discussion between you (jotapay) and pops is really a bit strange you're both telling there is data minig, only that jotapay tells let's make it a bit more difficult for them. Nobody tells here that forums are not public and cannot be traced, but that's work, the government has to pay for it instead of simply opening facebook.
Or you make a completely idiotic facebook page, fiction.
What me worries are that friends could put something about you in facebook, even picture, which is against the law.

I can' t really look at facebook as I don't want to sign up, but I would like to have a look. (edited for this)
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby rangerone314 » Fri 20 Feb 2009, 10:46:07

I'm sure glad I never joined Facebook. I try to minimize my interaction with corporations and I try to strictly adhere to traffic laws & tax rules and don't vote to minimize my interaction with government.

They should do a thing on Lost where Ben Linus reveals that he compiled all his information on the Oceanic passengers by data mining Facebook!
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Re: Anyone have a facebook?

Postby PrairieMule » Fri 06 Mar 2009, 14:51:50

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Re: Anyone have a facebook?

Postby stu » Thu 12 Mar 2009, 10:41:03

I think I'll join up with the group. Got my own profile too.

Not really concerned about what people know about me and if the government do wanna monitor me then cool coz they're wasting time.
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Re: Anyone have a facebook?

Postby jasonraymondson » Fri 20 Mar 2009, 19:00:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'T')his is a video about where Facebook comes from and what information they harvest about you. It was started with seed money from a venture capital firm that was created by the CIA. Facebook's board of directors has members who used to be high ranking officials at DARPA and the Department of Defense. Check it out: http://blip.tv/file/1613641

What video?

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Anyone on Twitter?

Postby lowem » Tue 07 Apr 2009, 10:26:53

What with all the news/hype surrounding a possible Google and Twitter merger/partnership/whatever, I thought it might be interesting to check it out.

So. Anyone on Twitter?

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Re: Anyone on Twitter?

Postby stu » Tue 07 Apr 2009, 11:56:34

Isn't this just mobile blogging?

Some BBC journalists are on Twitter and we're encouraged to visit their profiles to see what they are thinking at that exact minute. Whats the big rush?

24 Hour media goes even madder.
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Re: Anyone on Twitter?

Postby Dreamtwister » Tue 07 Apr 2009, 13:26:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', 'I')sn't this just mobile blogging?


It has practical applications as well. My neighborhood watch unit recieve twitter feeds on our cell phones. If one of us spots trouble, we can tweet and the entire patrol can be at our location in minutes. Response time is faster than the police.
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Re: Anyone on Twitter?

Postby Maddog78 » Tue 07 Apr 2009, 14:36:07

So it is very effective for conjuring up mobs?

Interesting. :twisted:
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Re: Anyone on Twitter?

Postby Dreamtwister » Tue 07 Apr 2009, 14:59:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', 'S')o it is very effective for conjuring up mobs?

Interesting. :twisted:


Yes, and to great effect. It takes the old "phone tree" (Ask any activist from the 60's about those) and ramps it up by several orders of magnitude.

Wikipedia on smart mobs

For example, during RNC/08, the police raided a couple of activists' homes. Well one of them was running a twitter network at the time. All he had to do was tweet one word "arrested", and his network mobilized.

By the time the police were finished securing the house, the guy's twitter network had found lawyers, summoned the media (both mainstream and independant) and organized a protest *at the arrest site*. There were 100 people on-site before the detainees were taken out of the house.

But my personal favorite is this one. Prince William has a smart mob of teenage stalkers. I don't know if they use twitter, but it would certainly work for them.
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Re: Anyone on Twitter?

Postby lowem » Wed 08 Apr 2009, 13:15:49

Well I wasn't exactly thinking of inciting a mob. Just thought that since I'm already blogging, why not try microblogging. I've got my SMS to Twitter set up with somebody who's kindly provided a local gateway, and I've got my tweets feeding through to Facebook as well as my blog posts that feed through into tweets.

I've barely begun to explore the various things that can be done with it :lol:
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Re: Anyone on Twitter?

Postby TWilliam » Sat 11 Apr 2009, 13:55:48

Twitter explained in under five minutes:

"It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... "
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