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Unread postby phaster » Wed 18 Feb 2009, 23:19:09

Over the weekend happened to watch a news program on CNBC about the contracting economy. What caught my eye was the opening sequence where a women was invoking the name of god to save here home and homes of other people in the opening sequence.

http://www.4shared.com/file/87832866/f7 ... art_1.html

Just kinda wondering if there are any Literal Bible Believers on this site are familiar with
the passage about sowing and reaping. Basically curious if anyone believing or not has noticed that "society as a whole is reaping what was planted" in terms of the economy which IMHO parallels the scripture passage in GALATIANS 6:7-9

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... version=9;

Anyway full disclosure, I'm basically agnostic, and not enamored by organized religion BUT I do find reading various religious texts insightful at times.
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Re: anyone notice society as a whole is reaping what was planted

Unread postby misterno » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 00:04:54

your link doesn't work properly
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Re: anyone notice society as a whole is reaping what was planted

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 00:13:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('phaster', ' ')Basically curious if anyone believing or not has noticed that "society as a whole is reaping what was planted" in terms of the economy which IMHO parallels the scripture passage in GALATIANS 6:7-9
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')size=150]Galatians 6:7-9

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.[/size]


Well, the greedy bankers will be getting what they deserve ...
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Re: anyone notice society as a whole is reaping what was planted

Unread postby Fredrik » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 09:39:01

Christians also have the human tendency to regard their own actions and attitudes as "by default" more righteous than those of others, before they have to face the consequences. To borrow another verse, there's going to be a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth on all sides...
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Re: anyone notice society as a whole is reaping what was planted

Unread postby Cloud9 » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 18:25:47

Unless you are a preacher, God does not pay the mortgage. Take it from someone who prayed until he was blue in the face and still got forclosed on.
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Re: anyone notice society as a whole is reaping what was planted

Unread postby Pops » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 18:58:21

Sorry to hear about your condition 9.


Though I'm not a "chapter and verse" believer, I do think The Book has lots of lessons.

Consider the fact WallyWorld was the only stock up yesterday - and I'd argue the WallMartization of the world is the root of our current troubles.

We are reaping the harvest of what we've bought, if you will...
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Re: anyone notice society as a whole is reaping what was planted

Unread postby phaster » Sun 01 Mar 2009, 14:15:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'y')our link doesn't work properly


should work now


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DoomWarrior', '
')Well, the greedy bankers will be getting what they deserve ...


Don't shoot me I'm just messenger, but the inconvenient truth is bankers are not the only ones getting what they deserve. The irony of the situation is on one hand people are praying for a better economy, so they can get back to using credit to purchase consumer goods they could not afford otherwise.

Think about the 10 commandments, ever consider that worshiping consumerism and materialism is one of the root causes of this economic crisis? For example in the Catholic version of the 10 commandments, the 1st commandment is "I am the Lord your God, thou shalt have no other gods before me" and the 9th and 10th command are basically admonishments about desiring material goods. Thought I'd bring up these commandments because I've noticed that a modern economy first and foremost requires people to worship consumption and materialism.

I'm no theologian, just a survivor of a parochial school education, but seems to me if all evangelical churches, "Jesus freaks," etc., actually preached and actually lived a simple life style, and did not use credit to live beyond one's financial means then there would be no "believers" burned by this economic firestorm.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fredrik', 'C')hristians also have the human tendency to regard their own actions and attitudes as "by default" more righteous than those of others, before they have to face the consequences. To borrow another verse, there's going to be a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth on all sides...


It's not only "christians" who have the human tendency to regard their own actions and attitudes as "by default" more righteous than those of others, the general case is one's background tends to bias one's outlook when looking at any problem.

For example, I'm a survivor of a parochial school education and was taught by "old school" penguin nuns, and a few friar tuck type priests. But at university studied physics and political science so I could honestly say I could built build the bomb and know who which group I was throwing the damn thing at. I've also spent more than my fair share of time traveling in the third world, when everyday life is pretty damn hard. So during this little economic crisis, I'm not too surprised it happened because the signs that it was an unsustainable I recognized long ago.

Personally I wish everyone had the same level of education and exposure to various cultures as I have been able to amass because this downturn in the economy IMHO is nothing in comparison to the stress levels encountered by people who have to live in war torn areas of conflict, where drought and famine are a fact of life and they face much more difficult problems with little or no resources to address the problems they face.

Getting back to the subject of this thread "anyone notice society as a whole is reaping what was planted" personally I think this is the preverbal golden opportunity to plant some well placed financial seeds in areas of the economy that will reap many future rewards.
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Re: anyone notice society as a whole is reaping what was planted

Unread postby Vogelzang » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 11:55:18

Look at he discussion of the evil doers here:

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stock ... t=2#935274
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Re: anyone notice society as a whole is reaping what was planted

Unread postby POAlex » Fri 06 Mar 2009, 22:57:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('phaster', 'J')ust kinda wondering if there are any Literal Bible Believers on this site are familiar with the passage about sowing and reaping. Basically curious if anyone believing or not has noticed that "society as a whole is reaping what was planted" in terms of the economy which IMHO parallels the scripture passage in GALATIANS 6:7-9


I thank God for His grace and goodness. He gives us so many blessings to enjoy in life.

Yet, sometimes God's wrath and the removal of temporal blessings can be the greatest blessing and act of mercy leading to the salvation of an eternal soul.

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" (Mark 8:36)

To use an analogy, a man wakes up to realize his house is on fire. His carelessness in throwing out a smoldering cigerette had started a massive blaze while he slept. The smoke is thick and he can barely see. He hits the floor and crawls to the nearest door but its hot and jammed. He crawls to the nearest window and finds it sealed shut. All his exits are blocked. In his desperation, he notices a small grate big enough for him to fit in. He kicks it open and crawls all way back through the hot, smoke filled vent. His skin is blistering and he can barely breathe. Its horrible. Finally, he reaches the end and kicks it out, falling to the outside. After he stands up and walks back from the house, he realizes part of the roof had collapsed onto the section where the window and door were. It would've killed him had he taken the easy way out.

Bruised and battered, but he lives.

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Re: anyone notice society as a whole is reaping what was planted

Unread postby phaster » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 22:36:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('phaster', 'J')ust kinda wondering if there are any Literal Bible Believers on this site are familiar with the passage about sowing and reaping. Basically curious if anyone believing or not has noticed that "society as a whole is reaping what was planted" in terms of the economy which IMHO parallels the scripture passage in GALATIANS 6:7-9


I thank God for His grace and goodness. He gives us so many blessings to enjoy in life.

Yet, sometimes God's wrath and the removal of temporal blessings can be the greatest blessing and act of mercy leading to the salvation of an eternal soul.

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" (Mark 8:36)

To use an analogy, a man wakes up to realize his house is on fire. His carelessness in throwing out a smoldering cigerette had started a massive blaze while he slept. The smoke is thick and he can barely see. He hits the floor and crawls to the nearest door but its hot and jammed. He crawls to the nearest window and finds it sealed shut. All his exits are blocked. In his desperation, he notices a small grate big enough for him to fit in. He kicks it open and crawls all way back through the hot, smoke filled vent. His skin is blistering and he can barely breathe. Its horrible. Finally, he reaches the end and kicks it out, falling to the outside. After he stands up and walks back from the house, he realizes part of the roof had collapsed onto the section where the window and door were. It would've killed him had he taken the easy way out.

Bruised and battered, but he lives.

Alex





Sadly lots of "praying" for a better economy because they want to get back to the "good old days" where it was possible to use credit to purchase consumer goods they could not afford otherwise. The idea of

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" (Mark 8:36)

from what I've read and seen is not too popular, even in "religious" circles. For example when was the last time ya heard a jesus freak on talk radio talk about the plight of the poor? From what I've seen the politically motivated faithful in the USA is very concerned with the evils of gay marrage and abortions, and pretty much ignores any discussion about compassion for undocumentated economic refugees (say those poor bastards from mexico, etc.).

Now that's it almost easter, just thought I'd point out the only time Jesus really got physical is when he entered the temple and threw out the money changers! Just thought I'd point out this irony about money cause the lust of it is what caused all kind of people to make some pretty inappropriate economic judgements.

Perhaps this little economic crisis is really just a test by "god" who might be a big fat ugly black woman (for all I know) to see what people really consider important in life...
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Re: anyone notice society as a whole is reaping what was planted

Unread postby bromius » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 23:19:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('phaster', 'J')ust kinda wondering if there are any Literal Bible Believers on this site are familiar with the passage about sowing and reaping. Basically curious if anyone believing or not has noticed that "society as a whole is reaping what was planted" in terms of the economy which IMHO parallels the scripture passage in GALATIANS 6:7-9


I thank God for His grace and goodness. He gives us so many blessings to enjoy in life.

Yet, sometimes God's wrath and the removal of temporal blessings can be the greatest blessing and act of mercy leading to the salvation of an eternal soul.

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" (Mark 8:36)

To use an analogy, a man wakes up to realize his house is on fire. His carelessness in throwing out a smoldering cigerette had started a massive blaze while he slept. The smoke is thick and he can barely see. He hits the floor and crawls to the nearest door but its hot and jammed. He crawls to the nearest window and finds it sealed shut. All his exits are blocked. In his desperation, he notices a small grate big enough for him to fit in. He kicks it open and crawls all way back through the hot, smoke filled vent. His skin is blistering and he can barely breathe. Its horrible. Finally, he reaches the end and kicks it out, falling to the outside. After he stands up and walks back from the house, he realizes part of the roof had collapsed onto the section where the window and door were. It would've killed him had he taken the easy way out.

Bruised and battered, but he lives.

Alex


Hopefully a person in the scenario you described would also take that as a strong signal they should stop smoking.
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Re: anyone notice society as a whole is reaping what was planted

Unread postby TreebeardsUncle » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 14:37:16

There is some of that.

However, it looks like in general society as a whole will be able to get away with it.

With (as mentioned in the SFC lately) termite digestion agents, algae, and non-crop bio-fuels along with coal and nuclear power to generate electricity for electric cars, the debt-enhanced detached-single-family-home-oriented automobile-enabled mestasticising cancer of post WWII-style suburban sprawl will continue to grow and spread. The 100-million white middle-class American suburbanites are the strongest aggregate human force on the planet and the surface geography of the land masses of the earth will be reconfigured to meet their indulgences. Convenience is their highest god.

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Re: anyone notice society as a whole is reaping what was planted

Unread postby bodigami » Tue 14 Apr 2009, 15:02:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreebeardsUncle', 'T')here is some of that.

However, it looks like in general society as a whole will be able to get away with it.

With (as mentioned in the SFC lately) termite digestion agents, algae, and non-crop bio-fuels along with coal and nuclear power to generate electricity for electric cars, the debt-enhanced detached-single-family-home-oriented automobile-enabled mestasticising cancer of post WWII-style suburban sprawl will continue to grow and spread. The 100-million white middle-class American suburbanites are the strongest aggregate human force on the planet and the surface geography of the land masses of the earth will be reconfigured to meet their indulgences. Convenience is their highest god.

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I don't think so, we are aproaching the breaking point.
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Re: anyone notice society as a whole is reaping what was planted

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Tue 14 Apr 2009, 15:13:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('phaster', '
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Perhaps this little economic crisis is really just a test ... to see what people really consider important in life...


I believe this to be the case.
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Re: anyone notice society as a whole is reaping what was planted

Unread postby Kristen » Tue 14 Apr 2009, 16:56:34

The First Noble Truth:

The Nature of Suffering (Dukkha):

"This is the noble truth of suffering: birth is suffering, aging is suffering, illness is suffering, death is suffering; sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief and despair are suffering; union with what is displeasing is suffering; separation from what is pleasing is suffering; not to get what one wants is suffering; in brief, the five aggregates subject to clinging are suffering."


These truths are not expressed as a hypothesis or tentative idea; rather, the Buddha says:

These Four Noble Truths, monks, are actual, unerring, not otherwise. Therefore, they are called noble truths.
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Re: anyone notice society as a whole is reaping what was planted

Unread postby bodigami » Sat 25 Apr 2009, 00:07:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'T')he First Noble Truth:

The Nature of Suffering (Dukkha):

"This is the noble truth of suffering: birth is suffering, aging is suffering, illness is suffering, death is suffering; sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief and despair are suffering; union with what is displeasing is suffering; separation from what is pleasing is suffering; not to get what one wants is suffering; in brief, the five aggregates subject to clinging are suffering."


These truths are not expressed as a hypothesis or tentative idea; rather, the Buddha says:

These Four Noble Truths, monks, are actual, unerring, not otherwise. Therefore, they are called noble truths.


...you forgot the 3 other noble truths. most humans living in the current civilization are indeed childrens of suffering.
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