That is really up to you but preferably "belief" in something so important should result in some action;
1) spreading information anchors the knowledge on a broader base
2) spreading information increases the likelihood that those who are in a position to do something concreate get informed and/or get spurred to action
Spreading of information can be via forums, verbal discussions, letter to papers, handout flyers etc.
3) bug your politicians and other leaders.
4) support groups that work to protect our civil liberties
5) get active with groups protecting our civil liberties
6) go ape on the whole system
The last one of course comes with some increased risks.
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Re: Censorship of PO
by Ludi » Mon 16 Feb 2009, 19:09:03
I don't really see why I need to believe TPTB are going to "get me" to do those things, but OK. 
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Re: Censorship of PO
by Pops » Mon 16 Feb 2009, 20:05:49
Jeeze S_W & Miki do you actually "DO" anything or do you just talk?
I'm going to guess you only loaf here on your boss's bandwidth because if you were as paranoid as you portray you would have ripped out every wire in your house and certainly wouldn't be posting on a site this high on Google's list.
Not really a PO Discussion topic I'm thinking...
I'm going to guess you only loaf here on your boss's bandwidth because if you were as paranoid as you portray you would have ripped out every wire in your house and certainly wouldn't be posting on a site this high on Google's list.
Not really a PO Discussion topic I'm thinking...
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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Re: Censorship of PO
by AgentR » Mon 16 Feb 2009, 20:16:30
TPTB want you here, and not on the street. If you are here, you are at a keyboard, in a room, mostly quiet. If you bail to the doomstead, you are out of the way and no longer of any interest.
People on the street do dumb things and break physical infrastructure that requires resources to repair. People at a console make pixels.
People on the street do dumb things and break physical infrastructure that requires resources to repair. People at a console make pixels.
Yes, we are. As we are.
And so shall we remain; Until the end.
And so shall we remain; Until the end.
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Re: Censorship of PO
by efarmer » Tue 17 Feb 2009, 11:25:30
Don't look behind that curtain Dorothy, TPTB are back there. Just pet
Toto and follow the yellow brick road.
Hey, I think I may be coming up to speed on this stuff, howsa bout
you Pops?
Toto and follow the yellow brick road.
Hey, I think I may be coming up to speed on this stuff, howsa bout
you Pops?
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Re: Censorship of PO
by Serial_Worrier » Sat 21 Feb 2009, 06:50:16
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'T')PTB want you here, and not on the street. If you are here, you are at a keyboard, in a room, mostly quiet. If you bail to the doomstead, you are out of the way and no longer of any interest.
People on the street do dumb things and break physical infrastructure that requires resources to repair. People at a console make pixels.
People on the street do dumb things and break physical infrastructure that requires resources to repair. People at a console make pixels.
Stalin called those people "wreckers" and sent them to the gulag.
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Re: Censorship of PO
by Pops » Sat 21 Feb 2009, 15:39:30
On reflection Miki, I shouldn't have included you in that little rant.
It dawns on me that many time it seems the people who rant about big brother, executive orders, internment camps, etc are the same who chime in at voting time with "It doesn't matter, they are all the same."
IOW, "It's useless, I'm helpless, we're dead."
So my apologies to you.
P.S. efarmer, I have a football helmet under my foil hat as protection from the flying monkeys.
It dawns on me that many time it seems the people who rant about big brother, executive orders, internment camps, etc are the same who chime in at voting time with "It doesn't matter, they are all the same."
IOW, "It's useless, I'm helpless, we're dead."
So my apologies to you.
P.S. efarmer, I have a football helmet under my foil hat as protection from the flying monkeys.
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-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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Re: Censorship of PO
by dorlomin » Sun 22 Feb 2009, 18:01:10
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'T')PTB want you here, and not on the street. If you are here, you are at a keyboard, in a room, mostly quiet. If you bail to the doomstead, you are out of the way and no longer of any interest.
People on the street do dumb things and break physical infrastructure that requires resources to repair. People at a console make pixels.
People on the street do dumb things and break physical infrastructure that requires resources to repair. People at a console make pixels.
Actually no. Quite a number of people involved in things like Reclaim the Streets, Campaign Climate Change, the Newbury Bypass Protests and other very high profile environmental activists actions are regular 'post whores' on some of the forums I post on. The most prominent would be the likes of the Anarchist forum urban 75 in the UK.
The internet has provided a huge tool for the small clique of politically active types to interact with less active but interested people. It has helped overcome the inertia created by TV and sparked a renaissance in political activism here in the UK in the good times!
I take what I learn here and distribute it around various political sites in the UK. The net is a huge tool for allowing people around the world to interact and exchange ideas. It is literaly the most important tool to decentralise the distribution of information since Gutenberg.
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Re: Censorship of PO
by threadbear » Sun 22 Feb 2009, 19:35:56
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'T')he powers that be, believe their own propaganda! Talk to anyone you know who is in an establishment position; such as a police official, a government lawyer, a CEO or such. These people who only read and hear the censored media content of newspapers, magazines and TV- they won't know a fraction of the real news that is out there on the blogsphere.
The won't know that the world economy would have completely tanked if the US government hadn't bailed out AIG in October last year. They won't know about the impending threats of peak oil. They will have no understanding of the implications of systemic collapse, entropy, die off, or lynch mobs.
The powers that be have little or no understanding of the true power of blogsphere news. Anything that isn't mainstream and conservative is beyond their comprehension. They also reject non-establishment ideas. So they also reject internet news as irrelevant, marginal, and counter-culture in content, leaving themselves victims to their own mindset.
Try it! Ask people in power who don't use the internet- then you'll have your answer.
The won't know that the world economy would have completely tanked if the US government hadn't bailed out AIG in October last year. They won't know about the impending threats of peak oil. They will have no understanding of the implications of systemic collapse, entropy, die off, or lynch mobs.
The powers that be have little or no understanding of the true power of blogsphere news. Anything that isn't mainstream and conservative is beyond their comprehension. They also reject non-establishment ideas. So they also reject internet news as irrelevant, marginal, and counter-culture in content, leaving themselves victims to their own mindset.
Try it! Ask people in power who don't use the internet- then you'll have your answer.
Agree whole heartedly. Those in power, or beholden to those in power, drink their own cool-aid. Look at how many filthy rich people got taken by Madoff. Anyone reading economic or political blogs would have recognized immediately that it was a potential scam.
The bubble economy was part of a self replicating parallel reality, encased in an information bubble, without external inputs. It has a "matrix" quality to it, but also a kind of fractal nature. See below. This could be why the Mandlebrot set is compelling but a bit disturbing. It approximates visually, what can happen with information in the mundane world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tRdLD6v ... re=related
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Re: Censorship of PO
by Keith_McClary » Mon 23 Mar 2009, 00:06:47
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'T')PTB are not going to shut down this site.
Nah, they'll probably just sabotage the software, making it painfully difficult to post anything.
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