[wisconsin_cur]

Compassion is a good thing. With some practice you can feel it more and more, not just for people you know but people you do not know. The fact that you feel if for people that you do know, because they are special to you is good.

You have made jokes about using my head for a bowling ball.

but I am special to people too... first myself but I think others as well.

You take joy in "pigmen" falling from the sky.

but they are special to people just like this couple is special to you. First of all their children and parents but probably others as well.

You are ready to cast the wannabees into the bowels of Hell, but you are casting people just like those you care about (only you haven't gotten a chance to know them as well) into Hell.

The hate you sell is a bugger mate. You may try to keep it aimed at the "other" that you attempt to de-humanize by calling them pigs but eventually it feeds upon those around you. You think you can control the hate, but it takes a life all its own.

Here is an alternative, try some compassion for those taken up by the quest for more. The more successful they have been the more they need compassion. You like to quote Jesus when it fits you, look this up, "He came to seek and save that which was lost." He did not kill the tax collector but reached out to him in compassion. Give it a shot. It does not cost much, just your hate.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'W')hat makes me feel hopeless is the constant, endless stream of morbidly obese PREGNANT people I see every day. It seems like every other person I see is pregnant AND on welfare...I can't help but wonder how they are going to feed these kids...

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'C')ompassion is a good thing. With some practice you can feel it more and more, not just for people you know but people you do not know. The fact that you feel if for people that you do know, because they are special to you is good.

You have made jokes about using my head for a bowling ball.

[wisconsin_cur]

Actually the context was that I am for freedom of speech, even your speech.

You are for the freedom of your speech also but would line many of those who oppose your program up against the wall as pigmen and lapdogs. As a way of acknowledging that I was right you made that statement.

Not that it matters but gave away some saved garden seeds to a neighbor today, and sold agreed to sell a dairy goat at a cut rate price earlier in the week. I also went to a class on Beekeeping with another member of this forum. Planted about 5 times as many tomato starts as I will need. I will be giving the extra away. One of the projects this winter was deciding exactly how many people I could house in this house, for how long and what the "exit plan" would be. Decided on the maximum help that I could be, making preparations to be that help and have a plan for moving people out on their own. Next week I will make the purchases I need to exercise that plan.

It is amazing what one can get done when one shuts their trap, puts their self-righteousness in check and gets busy. With your energy level you could do a lot. Of course you would have to get over yourself but I believe you could do that if you really tried. You have to do some math, accept your limits and check the wild metaphor and grandstanding for the more boring work responsibility. Again if you apply yourself I am sure you are able.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'I')t is amazing what one can get done when one shuts their trap, puts their self-righteousness in check and gets busy. With your energy level you could do a lot. Of course you would have to get over yourself but I believe you could do that if you really tried. You have to do some math, accept your limits and check the wild metaphor and grandstanding for the more boring work responsibility. Again if you apply yourself I am sure you are able.

[wisconsin_cur]

You are the one casting people into hell or lining them up for the guilitine and have anointed thyself "Lord High Executioner," who is self-righteous?

I only mention those things that I am doing to answer your (self righteous) often made charge that so many of us are doing nothing but preparing to save our own skins.

Again you can cast dispersions against others but only see the humanity in those you know.

Guess what?

We are all human. We all have the same mix of faults and virtues of those you love and care about. The only difference between those you would cast in Hell and those that you would defend and support is that you know them.

[RedStateGreen]

I can relate to your OP, RE ... my daughter and her fiance want to move back to southern CA so she can spend 80k on art college that they don't have.

At least she's going to get some education here first. Maybe she'll change her mind. And we do have family there.

But I can't help but worry about her.

[SeaGypsy]

My wife runs a little fashion business.
Last night I brought her into the study to show her what I "Waste all my time" on.
She has been through the basics of PO before we married; but I certainly would not say she is a doomer.
Instead of entering the process as well described here and on other sites; she just chooses to ignore it, disconnect.
We have a very simple life in the Philippines though; no money tied up, no really big desisions to make. My wife has accepted my 'Noahesque' mission of building a doomboat. She has also accepted that the 'End of the World' she learned about in Bible School is far more likely the result of peak oil than monsters jousting in the sky.

On the debate emerging in this thread:
I find it interesting to contemplate the fact that in the event of collapse; some of the best prepared people will be dead real quick; whilst some who gave not a second thought to this possibilty may well thrive.

I know this confounds logic to some extent; the odds are improved by preparation for sure. But I believe actual survival will depend more on the nature of the person and their 'luck' than on mere physical preparation.

My point here is that the fashion wannabees should probably be calmly, compassionately infomed and let to make their decision on how or whether to react by changing plans. They should do what makes them happy because the world needs happy people and will continue to need them after collapse.

Do those of us doing preps now really want a world post collapse where the only survivors are those like us? There will be a lot of random death as well as survival.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '
')The hate you sell is a bugger mate. You may try to keep it aimed at the "other" that you attempt to de-humanize by calling them pigs but eventually it feeds upon those around you. You think you can control the hate, but it takes a life all its own.

[alokin]

Why not, while living in Athens there was a little fashion shop tun by two young ladies who sold clothes at cheap prices they have sewn in the back of their shop. I guess without expensive fashion school.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'W')e all have the same mix of faults and virtues of those you love and care about. The only difference between those you would cast in Hell and those that you would defend and support is that you know them.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', 'I') can relate to your OP, RE ... my daughter and her fiance want to move back to southern CA so she can spend 80k on art college that they don't have.

At least she's going to get some education here first. Maybe she'll change her mind. And we do have family there.

But I can't help but worry about her.

[Rod_Cloutier]

I've told every person I know and whom I've come into contact with about the dangers of peak oil. None of them- not one of them has taken this threat seriously.

I feel helpless as well. Some of the responces I have heard are; They will find alternatives, people can easily live with less, don't take the world's problems on your shoulders, ignore the issue until it becomes a real problem- it likely won't. and so forth.

As I have posted in many other forums here, I have talked to energy executives, senior government administrators, my employers, and other people in positions of power. Nobody cares. No planning is being done on any level to deal with peak oil. There is also outright denial of the possiblility of systemic collapse.

There's the saying, "were all immortal until we die" well a present day collorary would be "we all have limitless oil and resources until they run out".

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'W')e all have the same mix of faults and virtues of those you love and care about. The only difference between those you would cast in Hell and those that you would defend and support is that you know them.

[SeaGypsy]

Perhaps; in the end there will be a toilet paper factory owned by a cynical Sanskrit scholar?

Seriously!

Reverse Engineer: Your cousin is probably a genius who will see out her days on a nice Hare Krishna farm; eating vegies& cheese, popping out little Krishna loving babies with a vegetarian death squad defending the perimiter (chanting& burning insence all the while)?

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', 'I') saw the same.
Cheap food is full of carbs abd fructose.
You can see it in my city.
Drive through the rich part of town, very few obese.
Poor part of town, many obese.
Exercise habits are a factor of course. Maybe it's easier to get exercise if you are wealthier. Motivation and opportunity etc.
Maybe those type A personalties just want to do it.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'S')o do you say anything, or do you just smile weakly and write a check to send your darling daughter to Vassar or Mt Holyoke to study 21st Century Lesbian Ethics? LOL.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'R')everse Engineer: Your cousin is probably a genius who will see out her days on a nice Hare Krishna farm; eating vegies& cheese, popping out little Krishna loving babies with a vegetarian death squad defending the perimiter (chanting& burning insence all the while)?

[Quinny]

My son's hoping to study Computer Science at London Imperial College. I don't want him to go to London as it's a fair distance (in UK terms) and I feel London will be worse than many other places WTSHTF.

Hopefully in a fast crash scenario we'd be able to get him home (wherever that might be).

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'W')hen it comes to writing a check for college I'd think an agreement it be repaid isn't unreasonable.