[newbie1234]

Since I'm new here I may have missed a previous thread on this (could someone please direct me?): WHAT DO PEOPLE HERE THINK OF THIS?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')N OPEN LETTER TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
For decades, the goal of reducing the Nation’s dependence upon foreign energy sources has been a matter on which virtually all Americans could agree. Unfortunately, differences about how best to accomplish that goal, with what means, how rapidly and at what cost to taxpayers and consumers have, to date, precluded the sort of progress that might have been expected before now.

Today, we can no longer afford to allow such differences to postpone urgent action on national energy independence. After all, we now confront what might be called a “perfect storm” of strategic, economic and environmental conditions that, properly understood, demand that we effect over the next four years a dramatic reduction in the quantities of oil imported from unstable and hostile regions of the world.

America consumes a quarter of the world’s oil supply while holding a mere 3% of global oil reserves. It is therefore forced to import over 60% of its oil, and this dependency is growing. Since most of the world’s oil is controlled by countries that are unstable or at odds with the United States this dependency is a matter of national security. At the strategic level, it is dangerous to be buying billions of dollars worth of oil from nations that are sponsors of or allied with radical Islamists who foment hatred against the United States. The petrodollars we provide such nations contribute materially to the terrorist threats we face. In time of war, it is imperative that our national expenditures on energy be redirected away from those who use them against us. ...

[Ayoob_Reloaded]

Looks good. Let me know if that letter generates oil abiotically.

[aahala]

Tastes great, less filling.

The underlining problem is not the lack of oil or even where we
purchase the oil, but the prospect of the decline of fossel energy. They
are chasing the wrong rainbow.

To propose the solution is to switch from oil to electricity to power
vehicles is like saying a family who is short of money should stop
writing checks from account A and start writing checks from
account B. All it is is trading one problem for another.

To replace any significant percentage of the amount of fuel now being burned in cars with 'growables' would required another continent of
farm ground.

Also the amount of proposed expenditure($3-$4B annually) is
pocket change compared to the depth of the problem. That's less
than the incremental costs of US involvement in Iraq for a single month.

[jockc]

"To replace any significant percentage of the amount of fuel now being burned in cars with 'growables' would required another continent of
farm ground. "

No problem.. I think Antarctica will be available in a few years, once everything warms up a bit. Then it's full speed ahead, consumers!!!

[newbie1234]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jockc', '[')i]"To replace any significant percentage of the amount of fuel now being burned in cars with 'growables' would required another continent of
farm ground. "

No problem.. I think Antarctica will be available in a few years, once everything warms up a bit. Then it's full speed ahead, consumers!!!

[newbie1234]

What do people think of this quote?

"If by 2025, all cars on the road are hybrids and half are plug-in hybrid vehicles, U.S. Oil imports would drop by 8 million barrels per day (mbd). Today, the United States imports 10mbd and it is projected to import almost 20 mbd by 2025. If all of these cars also flexible fuel vehicles, U.S. oil imports would drop by as much as 12 mbd."

[holmes]

Just dont get it. There is a huge mental block in the modern humans mind. conservation does not work unless there is a total paradigm shift. More people will use more of the conserved energy. BLAHblahblah blah its getting old. Only thing that will work is if humans cut their numbers and consumptive bloat in half. and KEEP IT THAT WAY.

[aahala]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('newbie1234', 'W')hat do people think of this quote?

"If by 2025, all cars on the road are hybrids and half are plug-in hybrid vehicles, U.S. Oil imports would drop by 8 million barrels per day (mbd). Today, the United States imports 10mbd and it is projected to import almost 20 mbd by 2025. If all of these cars also flexible fuel vehicles, U.S. oil imports would drop by as much as 12 mbd."

[Doly]

Conservation does work if there is a physical limit in the amount of energy you can use. If there is only so much oil, people are going to conserve.