[kmann]

They are actively hiring for the manufacturing plant. An aquaintance interviewed for an engineering position there - didn't get it because of lack of experience with silicon mfg. They could be cranking out panels by the end of the year.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', ' ')to solve daunting problems like poverty, famine, disease, global warming and dwindling energy supplies.

[Narz]

Ok, I read some of your concerns. Basically you're cranky cause they're talking about things that don't exist yet. Great, lets just disband all research & development & shun all new technology. Better yet, lets go back to the stone age. Even better lets not even use sticks to catch termites like monkies. Free full frontal lobotomies for all!

[Pops]

I'm not sure where this should go but it is not for PFTF.

I'll stick it the open for suggestions as to it's appropriate place.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '
')Is under $1 per watt cheap enough?

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'O')k, I read some of your concerns. Basically you're cranky cause they're talking about things that don't exist yet. Great, lets just disband all research & development & shun all new technology. Better yet, lets go back to the stone age. Even better lets not even use sticks to catch termites like monkies. Free full frontal lobotomies for all!

[Ludi]

edited for off topic

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')
Nobody is advocating that. We're just trying to throw some water on the typical polyanna "they'll think of something" argument against worrying about peak oil.

[outcast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e need it now, and it's not available.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')Nobody is advocating that. We're just trying to throw some water on the typical polyanna "they'll think of something" argument against worrying about peak oil.

[rsch20]

the 'where is the good stuff' argument is an argument from ignorance. a logical fallacy. the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ear and going 'la la la i can't hear you'.

Accelerating Technology is as real a concern as Peak Oil, drum it into your skulls. Not only that it isn't necessarily a utopian thing to consider but could even more of a threat than PO.

luddites.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '
')With gas prices this low, we don't absolutly need it. We could use it, but we don't have to have it right now. In 10 years we absolutly will need it, which is right when it becomes available.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '
')I know many here are Luddites who're convinced all progress is bad & we'd have been better off if we'd never even invented the wheel but it's too late for that crap now. We've got 7 billion people on the planet & just quitting now is not an option.

[Ludi]

It's interesting people don't see permaculture as "technology and social change" when of course it is both.

Why is "technology" only something shiny, plastic and chrome? Why aren't systems of design using plants "technology"? Not shiny enough?

[outcast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's very possible we're doomed--if we do nothing but "trust the market" to develop and roll out new technology on its usual glacial timetable, ignorant of the pending collapse scenarios.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '
')I know many here are Luddites who're convinced all progress is bad & we'd have been better off if we'd never even invented the wheel but it's too late for that crap now. We've got 7 billion people on the planet & just quitting now is not an option.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')t's interesting people don't see permaculture as "technology and social change" when of course it is both.

Why is "technology" only something shiny, plastic and chrome? Why aren't systems of design using plants "technology"? Not shiny enough?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '
')Why don't you respond to my questions?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')It's not technology if you can't plug it in or put a battery in it. And it's not positive social change if people view permaculture as a well armed doomstead with tall walls/hedges to hide the fact you've got food from the [s]future zombies[/s] neighbors.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'B')ecause I'm mostly ignoring you, I guess. You seem really upset at me for some reason and I'm not sure why.