I hear little snippets here and there about the problem with the Islamics who are "in country" so to speak. Little tidbits here and there to show how bad Arabs are by "taking over", tghe problems they cause by not adopting the practices and culture of the country they reside in etc etc.
So, for those who've been there or live there now, do you see a cultural clash due to the Arabs who are living there and not adopting the cultural standards? Is it a big issue or is it just isolated incidents that get bad reporting?
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A serious question for those across the pond (And others)
by Specop_007 » Tue 12 Apr 2005, 03:17:51
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by linlithgowoil » Tue 12 Apr 2005, 04:27:57
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')ghe problems they cause by not adopting the practices and culture of the country they reside in
I don't really get why people think incomers should adopt the practices of the country they've moved to. If you are a Muslim, you are a Muslim and you follow the practices of your faith no matter what country you live in. Yes, it'd be nice to learn the local language, but that cant happen overnight. Apart from that though, what else do you want Arabs/Muslims etc. to do? Give up their faith and traditions just to make the local intolerant assholes feel a bit better?
Anyone who dislikes others because they have a different culture or faith has major problems.
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by Doly » Tue 12 Apr 2005, 04:32:24
I'm assuming here that your side of the pond is America and you are asking us Europeans.
From what I see, it depends on the country. UK so far has been quite good at dealing with the issues. There seem to be more problems in France. Generally speaking, I don't think it's a big problem right now, more like isolated incidents.
However, it's interesting to speculate what will happen in the future. If the economy goes down and unemployment rises, the first thing to be expected is hate towards immigrants. And the Muslims may be the first in the hate list, if there is a perception that they caused the problem in the first place.
From what I see, it depends on the country. UK so far has been quite good at dealing with the issues. There seem to be more problems in France. Generally speaking, I don't think it's a big problem right now, more like isolated incidents.
However, it's interesting to speculate what will happen in the future. If the economy goes down and unemployment rises, the first thing to be expected is hate towards immigrants. And the Muslims may be the first in the hate list, if there is a perception that they caused the problem in the first place.
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by Wildwell » Tue 12 Apr 2005, 05:42:47
Immigration has become quite a big issue in recent years. Since the 1950s almost all of population growth in the UK is the result of immigration. People have different views of it and it depends where you live. There are immigration ‘hot spots’ and a lot of the ‘complaints’ come from there, usually about Asian immigrants that bring their own culture with them. I might be wrong here, but I think we have moved beyond the widespread victimisation of Black people, their culture has become intertwined with the indigenous populations to a greater extent. Whereas the Asian cultures and religions are still practiced in the host country, which some people find offensive and *a threat*.
I have to say I don’t but I am getting concerned about over population.
This is a very small country and the population density is already high. The UK is the third most densely populated country in Europe (the EU 15) after the Netherlands and Belgium, and one of the most overcrowded countries in the world. In 2002, England and Wales alone had to support 389 people per square kilometre [Environment Agency] , with the UK packing an average 243 inhabitants into each square kilometre (2.43 per hectare). With population reaching an estimated 60 million in mid-2005, density is now nearly 250 per sq.km
http://www.optimumpopulation.org/opt.toomany.uk.html
Americans in particular may find this hard to believe, but there just isn’t anywhere in England and Wales where you can go without seeing other people or the effects of people. There just isn’t any wilderness. In comparison the population density of the US is 29, Norway 14, Russia 9, and Australia 2
This population problem causes and is causing problems with transport and housing in particular. Take roads for example. People think all the road congestion problems will go away by building more roads. The fact is, with rising numbers of cars due to population, the road congestion problem will never go away because the population density is high.
Finally, here’s a look at earth at night.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap001127.html
I have to say I don’t but I am getting concerned about over population.
This is a very small country and the population density is already high. The UK is the third most densely populated country in Europe (the EU 15) after the Netherlands and Belgium, and one of the most overcrowded countries in the world. In 2002, England and Wales alone had to support 389 people per square kilometre [Environment Agency] , with the UK packing an average 243 inhabitants into each square kilometre (2.43 per hectare). With population reaching an estimated 60 million in mid-2005, density is now nearly 250 per sq.km
http://www.optimumpopulation.org/opt.toomany.uk.html
Americans in particular may find this hard to believe, but there just isn’t anywhere in England and Wales where you can go without seeing other people or the effects of people. There just isn’t any wilderness. In comparison the population density of the US is 29, Norway 14, Russia 9, and Australia 2
This population problem causes and is causing problems with transport and housing in particular. Take roads for example. People think all the road congestion problems will go away by building more roads. The fact is, with rising numbers of cars due to population, the road congestion problem will never go away because the population density is high.
Finally, here’s a look at earth at night.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap001127.html
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by linlithgowoil » Tue 12 Apr 2005, 05:56:45
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')mericans in particular may find this hard to believe, but there just isn’t anywhere in England and Wales where you can go without seeing other people or the effects of people.
That isnt true. There are vast areas of wales and england that are nothing but hills, moors and mountains. And, although vast areas are famrland and are therefore not 'wilderness', this farmland is still at least countryside which supports hedgerows and other places of habitat for wildlife.
I live in Scotland and, apart from the central belt and aberdeen/dundee areas, we are sparsely populated. If i drive for about 1 hour, i can be in places where there isnt another person for miles and miles. We aren't overpopulated by any stretch of the imagination.
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by Wildwell » Tue 12 Apr 2005, 07:43:09
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('linlithgowoil', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')mericans in particular may find this hard to believe, but there just isn’t anywhere in England and Wales where you can go without seeing other people or the effects of people.
That isnt true. There are vast areas of wales and england that are nothing but hills, moors and mountains. And, although vast areas are famrland and are therefore not 'wilderness', this farmland is still at least countryside which supports hedgerows and other places of habitat for wildlife.
I live in Scotland and, apart from the central belt and aberdeen/dundee areas, we are sparsely populated. If i drive for about 1 hour, i can be in places where there isnt another person for miles and miles. We aren't overpopulated by any stretch of the imagination.
I've been to virtually every inch of the UK and you cannot go anywhere in England or Wales without seeing pylons, cars, houses, people or a combination of the above. The only area of the UK that is very sparely populated is central and western Scotland. You want to come down to England more often and see the wall-to-wall people. Even the Lakes and the Yorkshire Dales are heavily populated by US standards. I'll challenge anyone to park up for more than 30 minutes without seeing another car on almost all of the roads.
The above map shows the most sparsely populated area of England, look at the map scale, zoom in. Even from the highest Pennine motions in the most sparely populated area of England you can see the lights of Carlisle and Teeside at night. There's still plenty of farms and houses. The lowland Scotland areas are quite sparsely populated, but they aren't a wilderness.
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