[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'W')elcome to the boards. It is good to hear some more moderate voices here.

Nano is partially right. Oil is tied into so many aspects of our civilization that peakoil is going to trigger a lot of adverse events. However that doesn't necessarily mean that everything will go wrong at the same time. Nor does it mean that we cannot find (partial) solutions to some of the approaching problems.

You also should not loose sight of the timescale involved. The decline of the oil production is a slow process, crawling along at 3% per year. That means that barring some catastrophic events we will always have enough oil to keep our society running during our lifetime. Although we will most certainly get to see some pretty bad things, the real problems are for the generations after us.

[PO_TimeCr0ss]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '
')
I mean with the war in Iraq going so well, peace breaking out all over the Middle East and Africa, international cooperation at an all time high, the US economy on stable footing, freedom spreading throughout China and Russia, competent leadership at the healm of the world's superpower, who would have thought that something really bad was brewing in the background?

Matt

[killJOY]

You said$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') strongly believe that PO is a very real

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd the 3% decline number assumes no major drop offs due to war or terrorism. That's a huge assumption as most of what's left is located in highly unstable parts of the globe.

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Matt', '3')% decline per year is disastorous for a monetary system that needs a 3% increase each year.

[allenu]

PO_TimeCr0ss, I've been interested in Peak Oil since December and it has affected me in the same way. Although I'm not sure who to trust for the exact date, from what I've read, it seems inevitable that is going to happen. Interestingly, I stumbled upon Peak Oil when I was looking to see what I should invest my money in. I'm a very curious person and once I start reading about one topic, I can easily jump to other similar topics.

I remember hearing about the idea a few years ago late one night while riding a Greyhound bus across BC. I didn't catch the full interview with the fellow describing it, but it sounded very scary, but I forgot about it until late last year. The scary thing is that it definitely affects how you look at everything. You look at wasteful activities in a new light. Also, I've been paying attention to oil prices and the world economy more closely.

Just wanted to add my 2c Canadian.
- Allen

[jato]

Playing around with Excel:

[Cerryl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') know Matt's already aware, but many consider the risk that some of the world's giant superfields will enter terminal decline at a rapid rate because of MRE the biggest depletion risk.

Would make 3% look anemic in comparison.

[dark-suzie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'I')t's not your fault.

I mean with the war in Iraq going so well, peace breaking out all over the Middle East and Africa, international cooperation at an all time high, the US economy on stable footing, freedom spreading throughout China and Russia, competent leadership at the healm of the world's superpower, who would have thought that something really bad was brewing in the background?

Matt

[Grimnir]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'B')ut my point is this. We use a lot of oil. But only a fraction of this oil is necessary the rest is luxury. With necessary I mean the oil that is used for the production and transport of food, to heat our homes, to cook our food etc.

That means that we can hack it for a very long time. It won't be pleasant, but we can. It is the generation after us which will be confronted with the tremendous problem to produce these basic needs without oil

[threadbear]

PO Time cross--I think it's always wise to ignore people who advise you who to ignore. You should be able to make up your own mind. Also be wary of people suggesting you not use certain terms, as "it makes us look bad". They're under the delusional impression that they own the Peak Oil theory and they're planning to take it public. Ooooh....I wonder what the Securities and Exchange Comission will think. Ooooh.

Just go along with them or they might get violent, no angry, no...that's not right either. That's too extreme. They might get--slightly annoyed.

[PO_TimeCr0ss]

Leaf, threadbear, thanks for the warm welcome.

I just ordered "The Party's Over." It seems to be a good book.

I have been, and will continue to gather facts, statements, numbers, and other data to build a solid knowledge of PO for myself. As bad as it can be, it is a very interesting topic.

I've also read some of the many "conspiracy theories" associated with PO. None of them I believe at this time. Its the facts that I have come across that have really made an impact on me. Thank God for the ASPO.

[Nano]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'P')O Time cross--I think it's always wise to ignore people who advise you who to ignore. You should be able to make up your own mind.

[Raxozanne]

If you really want to scare the **** out of people show them the Peak Oil Ultimate Flash Introduction at

Ultimate Flash Intro

Guareented to make u hyperventilate/ have panic attack.

[Grimnir]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nano', 'I') used to joke about lemmings. Know what a lemming is? It's a mouselike critter that forms huge groups once in a while to commit mass suicide by drowning. I've seen it myself: a Norwegian fjord beach covered in little corpses. It's their way to control population.

[Doly]

I tend not to disagree with first-hand witnesses, Grimmir.

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PO_TimeCr0ss', '.')
Wow, just wow. Its difficult to live your everyday, normal life when you know such powerful things such as PO. I just feel like my eyes have been opened.

[Nano]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grimnir', '
')Given that lemming suicide is an urban legend created by Walt Disney to make a nature film more dramatic, what you saw was probably just an accident.

[rowante]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')S: has anyone seen Road Warrior lately? The begining of that movie is just plain freaky, or prophetic or however you want to look at it. My buddy and I just about sh*t our pants when we saw it.