[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'T')he boat I have is a 33' steel cutter. I bought it about 5 years ago in SW Nova Scotia. I've done about 2,500 miles in her over extended summer vacations. I have been out to St Pierre (French islands S of Newfoundland) and she is now in Bonavista Bay where I have family.

Last year my wife bought a cottage, abut 25 years old and in pretty good shape, next to my Aunt's place. It was about $35K, 100 amp service, dug well, working bathroom. I also have acreage in Nova Scotia.

I don't know if I'll ever do the Greenland thing but I would like to. I am intimidated by the crossing, about 800 miles of open ocean. At 58 I can feel my time running out for such foolishness. Ideally I would like to cut back work or even quit now and take off. However the wife is a psychoanalyst and has spent many years building her private practice, to which she is devoted. Besides she is prone to seasickness. And I'm not independently wealthy, but that we could probably work around if we wanted to.

So we are having some "issues." We WILL work them out sooner or later. I just hope things hold together until we do.

Personally I enjoy the solitude of the boat and can happily exist alone for weeks at a time. Not all can.

The whole sailing thing is weird. Without going into detail I can tell you that while I am not a "spirtualist" in any way I found that sailing has come to me almost as if I were reliving a past life. Very weird.

Sailboats can be the ultimate bug out mobile. I like the idea of the flexibility to go where you need to. Unlike others I do NOT like the idea of building a defensible fortress/homestead. I'm pretty comfortable with guns and enjoy hunting. I'm not a picky eater, lentil stew last night and venison heart for Christmas feast. I know what a .308 can do and I have no desire to exchange hostile fire. Guns are a LAST resort. Far better to run, far and fast.

Anyway, that is my take on survival.

[Newfie]

Rangerone314,

Big question there. I a long time researching land before I made a purchase. I don't believe it to be much colder than most of coastal Maine and better than Northern New Hampshire/Vermont. For kicks break out Google Earth and look at the relative latitudes of Rome/Paris/London to places in the US/Canada. That will open your eyes.

Here are some of my thoughts.

Newfoundland - Stay away from St. Johns. It is becoming just like every place else. Sprawl is spreading West as far as Clarenville. Newfoundland has a unique history which effects land ownership there. One the one hand it is hard to buy a piece of land sufficient to farm One the other hand rural houses are pretty darn cheap. My wife bought a nice 3 bedroom bungalow for $35,000 or so. Lovely ocean view. I think your best bet for a garden would be to get a Crown Grant, which is a long term lease. Probably need to be a resident to do so. People do have farms and gardens but they can vary by local so you need to be careful and eyeball it.

Nova Scotia - Atlantic coast, away from Halifax, further East is probably pretty doable. But not the best farming weather. Gulf shore appears to be MUCH better for farming with lots of dairy. Cape Breton area has some forested interior property that is down right cheap. Also the property laws are more regular making title exchange more like what you would expect. I bought about 4 years ago for about $400/acre. That may be tough to do now. Some of the old homesteads are really nice farms.

New Brunswick - I know less about this area but I have seen some dirt cheap property out back.

You really, really, really need to walk the property before buying. I looked at one piece on Cape Breton that became insane as it went away from the road. At first blush it looked wonderful; all fir trees and moss. Green and quiet and soft. It must have been an old glacial till as toward the bottom the spaces between the rocks were big enough to hid a Beetle. You couldn't walk on it without risk of life. Another piece had been cut bare in the last few years with only a fringe around cabin. My final selection however had none of these issues. 15 year old cut on 20%, then spruce, beech and maple.

Here is a good place to start in Newfoundland.
http://homes.point2.com/CA/Newfoundland ... state.aspx

A decent bug out boat will cost you a fair portion (most) of your $35,000.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'R')angerone314,

Big question there. I a long time researching land before I made a purchase. I don't believe it to be much colder than most of coastal Maine and better than Northern New Hampshire/Vermont. For kicks break out Google Earth and look at the relative latitudes of Rome/Paris/London to places in the US/Canada. That will open your eyes.

[Revi]

Prices have gone down a bit here in Maine, but you can get a lot more land and house in Nova Scotia or Newfoundland for your money than here in Maine.

I would get a boat that you can take the outside, and not set foot on land until you get to Maine or Nova Scotia. I think it may be the only way to get out of a big eastern city. Once everyone gets in their cars the highways will turn into a big parking lot.

Here's what's for sale in Washington County, Maine on foreclosure.com:

http://www.foreclosure.com/search/ME_029.html

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'P')rices have gone down a bit here in Maine, but you can get a lot more land and house in Nova Scotia or Newfoundland for your money than here in Maine.

I would get a boat that you can take the outside, and not set foot on land until you get to Maine or Nova Scotia. I think it may be the only way to get out of a big eastern city. Once everyone gets in their cars the highways will turn into a big parking lot.

[Revi]

I think I'd rather have a catboat over a catamaran. The catamaran is a great boat, and it's really fast, but it seems like it may be more fragile than a catboat.

I think the best thing to have post peak would be a pinkie schooner. You can ground it out at low tide and unload it or maintain it. You could use it as a cargo boat or fish with it.

I am thinking of getting a seaworthy boat for use on the coast of Maine. If we can't get gas it will be like a pickup truck.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') think I'd rather have a catboat over a catamaran. The catamaran is a great boat, and it's really fast, but it seems like it may be more fragile than a catboat.

I think the best thing to have post peak would be a pinkie schooner. You can ground it out at low tide and unload it or maintain it. You could use it as a cargo boat or fish with it.

I am thinking of getting a seaworthy boat for use on the coast of Maine. If we can't get gas it will be like a pickup truck.

[mos6507]

My ultimate fantasy bugout boat is a trimaran. Less cargo space than a catamaran, but is easier to trailer when you retract the pontoons (ama they call them). Some people have built these things from scratch from plans. From what I've read, they are good for first-time sailors. It's like sailing with training wheels. You can take them down very shallow waters almost like having a big canoe. They seem to be primarily used for racing but if you get up to 24+' then they can have enough cabin space to live in. I think they look very sleek and sexy.

An example

[threadbear]

Try to find moorage for a cat or trimaran. Nightmare.

[Pops]

Here is my nephew, Austen, age 12:

One day fuel is going to be no more.And without fuel things are going to
change. Things like,gas powered houses, gas powered cars and if we
can't save fuel we are going to start to fall and people are going to die
into time.

pops nephew,man who likes to save fuel

[Newfie]

Good going Pops.