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"Coming Out" to the relatives

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Re: "Coming Out" to the relatives

Unread postby culicomorpha » Thu 29 Jan 2009, 05:07:30

I can’t help but be struck by the metaphor used in this thread. For the most part, it has traditionally been associated with coming out as gay.

For my part, I came out as trans – as in transsexual - to my family many years ago. Despite all the caution I see in this thread, while I certainly understand it, it seems a bit unwarranted to me.

I wouldn’t put my experience of “coming out” as a proof for others, but I am a big believer in the value of honesty. If there is anything I learned in the process of coming out – in a much more public way than any discussions of peak oil, it is that I had to be true to myself. If others are unwilling or unable to accept the reality of who I am and what I know to be true, then that is unfortunate, but it can hardly be used as a justification for doing nothing simply in order to please others.

The one thing that definitely surprised me was the unpredictability of those who would be accepting and who wouldn’t. I had expected that younger, more aware relatives would be ok, and that older relatives would be a problem. Not true. In fact, one of my biggest supporters was my elderly grandmother, bless her heart, who set the tone for the rest of the family. Because of this, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, and am surprised more often than not regarding how receptive folks are to out-of-the-mainstream discussions like PO. I discuss it frequently at work, and have made some converts. Folks in my group have been buying PMs, so I think the message is sinking in.

I agree that telling the truth can strain relationships. That it can get you written off as coo coo – particularly for someone like me. That it can cause others to worry about things they can do nothing about.

But I can speak firsthand to the psychic cost of spending a lifetime trying to be someone you’re not, of trying to live life according to someone else’s rules, of just trying to pretend everything is ok. For me, the “talk” was worth it. YMMV.

Maybe I got lucky. My folks and most of my family is very accepting, and I have been making some progress on educating them on environmental and PO issues.

Anyway, maybe I shouldn’t have said any of this, and I apologize if I made anyone uncomfortable or if I spoke off topic. I was just struck by the use of the “coming out” metaphor. I’ve never seen any GLBT issue discussed on PO.com, which statistically, is virtually impossible given the numbers I’ve seen reported in the general population. I don’t believe for a second that all of you folks are straight, and in fact, I’d venture a guess that there is a more than proportional representation among GLBT folks here. It seems to me that those who are bucking society’s rules are already open to examining other “necessarily illusions” as Chomsky would put it.

And mos6507, relax. Your sister sounds fairly supportive, and there seems little risk of her disowning you! As for your planned braindump, just remember that sometimes little doses of the truth go down easier than big doses. :)
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Re: "Coming Out" to the relatives

Unread postby Crazy_Dad » Thu 29 Jan 2009, 07:59:12

Most of my friends and family dont contact me anymore - sometimes my brother when his PC needs fixing.

Wish I never pressed send on a certain email proposing we set up a commune in the country...

At least my wife loves me for it :)
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Re: "Coming Out" to the relatives

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 29 Jan 2009, 10:10:16

I used the term "coming out" very deliberately because I know that the reactions are likely to be similarly negative as telling your folks you're gay. I think a more appropriate analogy may be admitting you belong to a doomsday cult, like my ex-wife Jehovah's Witness, something like that.

So me coming out is not just to come out, but it's to try to "convert" them in the way an evangelical might try to convert people so that they may be "saved". Now, myself and my family are atheists. So adopting any sort of evangelical door-to-door rhetoric by its nature is going to be met with shock and disgust. They are automatically going to wonder what the f*ck has gotten into me that I am predicting a secular apocalypse replete with a one-true-path of permaculture riteousness.

So I really don't know the best way to hit them over the head with this. If all I've accomplished is to come out of the closet, so to speak, it will be a relief, but I will still feel bad if there is absolutely no buy-in on my ideas. I'm just not sure I can make it in a rural context without the income stream from programming. I just don't think I can make that work without pooling resources and dividing labor with a couple other people. That's why I've been trying to find something in the metro Boston area where I can keep commuting to town and remain within driving distance to family. But I don't see how I can do that without being stuck with a mortgage and dealing with the anxiety of losing the doomstead to foreclosure.
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Re: "Coming Out" to the relatives

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 29 Jan 2009, 10:23:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('culicomorpha', ' ')I’ve never seen any GLBT issue discussed on PO.com, which statistically, is virtually impossible given the numbers I’ve seen reported in the general population. I don’t believe for a second that all of you folks are straight,


You've just happened to miss those comments. There are several GLBT folks here who are quite open about themselves.

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Unread postby graham » Sat 28 Mar 2009, 14:26:40

My girlfriend is trans. I'm wondering what happens to our liberties post peak though? Will bigotry resurface?
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Unread postby mos6507 » Sat 28 Mar 2009, 18:50:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('graham', 'M')y girlfriend is trans. I'm wondering what happens to our liberties post peak though? Will bigotry resurface?


Move to Vermont. Plenty of peakers AND it's GLBT-friendly.
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Unread postby graham » Sun 29 Mar 2009, 00:34:50

ah but alas im welsh.... and shes thai.
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Re: Coming Out etc

Unread postby TreebeardsUncle » Sun 29 Mar 2009, 01:12:10

Alright, folks.

First of all, ditch the wtshtf, zombie horde, and other Hollywood vidiot rhetoric. Second, consider the likelihood of the impacts of the maximum oil production etc phenomenon coming to pass. Third, think of the advantages. Now, another problem, many of you have is a particular form of tunnel vision. Basically, the economy runs on credit more than energy these days. At least the markets do. Still, there will be opportunities to profit from commodity speculation. Feed a few hints in gently, rather than running around like paranoid, wing-nut, delusional, gun-toting, secessionist, cabin-dwelling, tripping, whacko's like Chicken Little.

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Unread postby bratticus » Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:55:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Phil in Escape From Suburbia (video clip link)
In a lot of ways being a Peak Oiler is like being a closet case. The syndrome and the symptoms are very similar. You don't want to talk about it to your family. You don't want to talk about it to your co-workers because they'll isolate you and then you may not have a job. You feel like you're living two separate lives. You don't know what to do--you really feel uncomfortable.


You think it's a phase...and it's all gonna happen to you. (that's right!)
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