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Nearly 9 Million PCs Hit By 'Downandup' Worm

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Re: Nearly 9 Million PCs Hit By 'Downandup' Worm

Unread postby TWilliam » Tue 27 Jan 2009, 01:25:18

Yeaaa I realize we've all been spoiled by the impression that Windows 'just works'. Funny thing is, the same kinds of hardware issues occur with it too if you're trying to build your own system rather than buying one with it pre-installed. Granted, relatively few people build their own systems, but the point that's made is simply that Windows really isn't much better in that regard. You just don't notice it because someone already went through all the work of getting everything set up before you bought it.

Another thing few people understand is that what makes Windows 'just work' (except of course when it doesn't) is exactly the same thing that makes it so vulnerable to virii. Contrary to popular mythology, it's not the ubiquity of the OS, tho' that does aid in rapid proliferation. The problem lies in the fact that MS takes an 'everything on, all doors open' approach with regard to the various processes that run on most machines. Granted, MS has increasingly been getting a clue in this regard, but it's still an issue. One must go in and 'close all the doors and windows', so to speak, in order to minimize the chances of system compromise. Not a simple task, especially when one considers that nearly any machine with a default Windows OS install is likely to be compromised within four minutes of first being connected to the Internet, long before one has even completed the registration process to begin downloading any security updates.

Linux takes the exact opposite approach, starting with everything 'closed up tight'. One has to deliberately pick and choose which doors and windows to open. Granted it can be a PITA to get everything working just right, but once it is, you can pretty much forget about it. I have three machines on my home network, all running different versions of Linux; two wired, one wireless, printer on the wireless accessible to all, shares mutually accessible, all three with net access through a Linux-based router. Took a little time and learning to set everything up sure, but in the two-plus years since doing so, I've never had to deal with annoying automatic updates, resource-hogging virus scans (not an AV scanner amongst them), forced reboots, system lockups, crashes or infections of any kind. It was rare that I could make it through a single day without some such issue arising when I ran 'Doze. For me personally it was worth every bit of the up-front aggravation of setting things up to have 2+ years now of worry- and hassle-free computing...
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Re: Nearly 9 Million PCs Hit By 'Downandup' Worm

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Tue 27 Jan 2009, 02:49:07

I have built my own machines for many years now. I have two fresh copies of XP sitting here for my next ones. Linux is cool, but I'll echo others experiences with it. I know what Im doing around computers but even i get frustrated with it now and again.

If you know how to set up Windows, with only the neccesary services and programs running, it works very well and very reliably. I dont even allow IE to connect to the net anymore. It gets disabled from the start here and I exclusively use Firefox as a browser and have had almost zero problems in 4 years now with malware or spyware. Its all in what you want to learn and how you let windows run.

Most folks really dont have more than a cursory knowledge of their systems and the result is what we have today...thousands upon thousands of trojans/virii/malware etc running around making a complete mess of things. If you dont know how to set it up your going to be a target in a short period of time.

Ive been very pleased with XP and have stayed away from Vista and likely will shun 7 also. No reboots, crashes etc here. Linux may have its day, but a lot of the polish and compatability has a way to go IMHO.
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Re: Nearly 9 Million PCs Hit By 'Downandup' Worm

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 27 Jan 2009, 02:49:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'Y')eaaa I realize we've all been spoiled by the impression that Windows 'just works'. Funny thing is, the same kinds of hardware issues occur with it too if you're trying to build your own system rather than buying one with it pre-installed.


I'm not trying to turn this into a Linux bash session. I'd really love to run it if they ever come up with a version that doesn't take hours just to enable common features. The bit about winsucks not working with home brews just isn't true though. The computer I'm using right now is a spliced together hack job. Setting up the OS was a breeze. Stick the drivers disk in. Click a couple of buttons. Hardware installed. Piece of cake. Actually it was easily than installing the OS on my last factory built. The factory builds these days come with 50+ pieces of crapware pre-installed that you then have to go back and uninstall.
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Re: Nearly 9 Million PCs Hit By 'Downandup' Worm

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Tue 27 Jan 2009, 02:57:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')he factory builds these days come with 50+ pieces of crapware pre-installed that you then have to go back and uninstall.


That has to be one of the biggest reasons I like to roll my own now. It takes quite a while to just remove all the garbage which is strewn about the HD and registry when you buy a new laptop or box these days.
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Re: Nearly 9 Million PCs Hit By 'Downandup' Worm

Unread postby TWilliam » Tue 27 Jan 2009, 03:50:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I')'m not trying to turn this into a Linux bash session.

Sorry if I implied that you were. Didn't intend to...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'d really love to run it if they ever come up with a version that doesn't take hours just to enable common features. The bit about winsucks not working with home brews just isn't true though. The computer I'm using right now is a spliced together hack job. Setting up the OS was a breeze. Stick the drivers disk in. Click a couple of buttons. Hardware installed. Piece of cake. Actually it was easily than installing the OS on my last factory built. The factory builds these days come with 50+ pieces of crapware pre-installed that you then have to go back and uninstall.

Maybe things have changed in recent years; I haven't done custom Windows installs for nearly a decade now. Or maybe you just lucked out. Anyway, I'm not particularly trying to bash them; if Windows works, and more importantly, works well for you, then by all means I would say use it. There's just too many things that I personally dislike about both the OS and MS in general, and Linux meets my needs so... *shrug*
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Re: Nearly 9 Million PCs Hit By 'Downandup' Worm

Unread postby bratticus » Tue 27 Jan 2009, 09:29:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'Y')eah. There's just way too much drama with trying to run Linux.


Yeah, let's use a drama-free Operating System.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Conficker seizes city's hospital network
Network-wide update ban invites worm infection

By Chris Williams
The Register
January 20, 2009

Exclusive Staff at hospitals across Sheffield are battling a major computer worm outbreak after managers turned off Windows security updates for all 8,000 PCs on the vital network, The Register has learned.

It's been confirmed that more than 800 computers have been infected with self-replicating Conficker code. Insiders at Sheffield Teaching Hospitals Trust said they suspect many more machines are affected but have not been reported to IT.

... skip ...

The decision to disble automatic security updates was taken during Christmas week after PCs in an operating theatre rebooted mid-surgery. Conficker was detected on December 29.

... snip ...


Would you like to be on the operating table when the BSOD comes calling again?
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Re: Nearly 9 Million PCs Hit By 'Downandup' Worm

Unread postby TWilliam » Wed 28 Jan 2009, 13:04:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'Y')eah. There's just way too much drama with trying to run Linux.


Yeah, let's use a drama-free Operating System.


Drama-free would be nice...

Chaos for Navy as Virus Hits Submarines

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')5 January 2009

A computer virus has attacked the communications network of almost the entire Royal Navy fleet, knocking out e-mails and the internet.
It is understood the worm disabled the NavyStar network in up to 75 per cent of the navy's ships last week, meaning sailors could not get messages home.

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A Ministry of Defence spokesman confirmed that NavyStar was still out on several fleet ships, but insisted that the problem had not affected weapons or navigation.
He said: "Since the problem was discovered priority has been given to repairing the system in deployed ships.
The vast majority of that has been done, but NavyStar is not yet working in Ark Royal.
But the weapons and navigational systems remain unaffected by the virus, because they are on a separate system with higher security."


"But the weapons and navigational systems remain unaffected by the virus, because they are on a separate system with higher security."

"Separate system". Mmm hmm. And what might that 'separate system' be? Why, the freshly installed Submarine Command System Next Generation (SMCS NG), which is --that's right-- a customized, stripped-down Windows XP.

Sure makes me feel good knowing that the U.K.'s entire nuclear deterrent fleet is being run by such a stable, secure OS... 8O
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