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Top Ten Myths on PO.com

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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby MonteQuest » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 13:30:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '3'). You can have growth without using energy.

You can have growth with less energy.


Yes, then you soon run into the law of diminishing returns.
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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby MonteQuest » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 13:32:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', '1')4. Human life and society is separate and independent from the natural world.


Or, Man is above nature.
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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby MonteQuest » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 13:33:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '1')5. Technology equals energy.


Definitely top ten.
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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby MonteQuest » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 13:36:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '1')6. We're all doomed.


A remnant isn't. :)
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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 13:54:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '1')5. Technology equals energy.


Definitely top ten.
I think the light rail advocacy is top ten. Maybe number one. Of course it is more discussed at theoildrum. A pipe dream. Won't solve anything. Neither will raised planter boxes.
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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 14:28:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '1')6. We're all doomed.
A remnant isn't. :)

That's actually Biblical, Monte. :)
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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 14:45:58

Delaying the consequences of overshoot with further phantom capacity is a form of mitigation, sustainability, or even a cure for the consequences itself.
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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 14:52:04

recycling bottles and plastics

scrubbing power plant CO2 emissions

going vegetarian

alternative energy

controlling population growth

using rivers for transportation

powerdown protocols

managed die-off
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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby bratticus » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 15:56:26

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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby Pops » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 17:20:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', '1')4. Human life and society is separate and independent from the natural world.

Probably should be promoted to NO. 1.

The subtext is:
Our brains, in the final analysis, are no more able to overcome the needs of our bellies and reproductive organs than any other species.
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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby Quinny » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 17:28:17

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', '1')4. Human life and society is separate and independent from the natural world.

Probably should be promoted to NO. 1.

The subtext is:
Our brains, in the final analysis, are no more able to overcome the needs of our bellies and reproductive organs than any other species.
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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby bratticus » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 17:38:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', '5'). Atmospheric C02 is not linked to global warming.


5b. When CO[sub]2[/sub] is increasing it causes global warming but when CO[sub]2[/sub] is falling it does not diminish global warming.
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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby bratticus » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 17:52:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '8'). Peak oil caused the credit crisis.


It's not really that.

It's the idea that

1. Industrial civilization must go on period.

2. It's OK to use absurd, unsustainable, short-term fixes to accomplish #1.
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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby Madpaddy » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 17:59:16

Electric cars will save us.
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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 18:09:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '2'). Hydrogen is a source of energy.

I have more, but help me out.


wind-up springs are an efficient device for energy storage. not a myth.
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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby bratticus » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 19:03:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '8'). Peak oil caused the credit crisis.


It's not really that.

It's the idea that

1. Industrial civilization must go on period.

2. It's OK to use absurd, unsustainable, short-term fixes to accomplish #1.


It's is more specific if #1 is

1. US-centric industrial civilization must go on period.

2. It's OK to use absurd, unsustainable, short-term fixes to accomplish #1
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Re: Top Ten Myths on PO.com

Unread postby Narz » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 20:11:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')he solution is to live local, grow local, work with your neighbors and find local sustainability.

Yeah, that won't work, nothing will work. Lets be a fatalist and just kill the last two years until the grid goes down and zombie hordes eat us. :roll:
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