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Re: Video: Palestinian girl stands up to Israeli soldiers

Unread postby The_Virginian » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 01:27:05

Hermit, that article itself lies.

Hamas has: Kassam missiles (inacurate, short range often duds)

AND
GRAD Missiles provided by China or Iran ( reasonably Accurate, packed with ball bearings, and can -and have- reach LARGE population centers of Ashkelon, Be'er Sheva, Ashdod. Etc.

they have a 40 km range, and can take out an 8 story Apt. building.)
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Re: Video: Palestinian girl stands up to Israeli soldiers

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 08:19:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') gotta agree with Plant here. Something just doesn't look right with the way they treat the girl. Im guessing if she was really Palestinian they would have beat her and hauled her away at a minimum

Plenty of Palestinian-Americans. Assaulting them would bring a lot of fierce action from the international community.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')irl maybe a Sephardi Jewish girl from NY...maybe not, does not look Arab. Possibly Temani Jewish. Israeli feminists have come out staunchly anti-Gaza incursion.

Are you Israeli?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')irl maybe a Sephardi Jewish girl from NY...maybe not, does not look Arab.

She has to be international, given her accent. I would doubt that she's Israeli, unless she's barely lived there.
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Re: Video: Palestinian girl stands up to Israeli soldiers

Unread postby Aaron » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 09:18:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he whole thing is staged. Its a fake.

The same camera man shoots footage amoungst the Palestinians and then suddenly is standing next to Israeli soliders? Did he teleport?

The fake "Israelis" in the propaganda film NEVER turn to look at the camera even though a camera man is supposedly filming them from a few feet away during a long confrontation with the girl? People ALWAYS look at a camera that is filming them, unless they are actors playing a role.

The brave little Palestinian girl speaks perfect English but the Israelis don't?

Not very likely. Its obviously phoney, but sadly most leftists are gullible enough to believe anything they see on YouTube.


Terrible acting... reminded me of a soap opera.

Needs better theme music & some audience reaction sounds.... oooohhh.... aaahhhh... <laughter>

I'm betting they cut the final kiss scene.

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Re: Video: Palestinian girl stands up to Israeli soldiers

Unread postby The_Virginian » Thu 08 Jan 2009, 20:54:16

The state of Israel is against everything the Torah stands for.

Soon that will be clear to the majority living in the land, and those in exile.

I await the Mamleket Yahud.

Everything else is irrelevant.

These jokers cannot make either war or peace.Image

King David in 6th century Gaza Synagogue
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Re: Video: Palestinian girl stands up to Israeli soldiers

Unread postby hermit » Sat 10 Jan 2009, 12:44:52

The comments of the video say her name is Hawaida Arraf, a Palestinian Christian who, with her Jewish husband Adam Shapiro, lead an activist Organization that works to nonviolently interfere with the Israeli army in Palestine.

Seems stranger than fiction.

Aparrently the activist organization, ISM, coordinates getting Palestinians and foreign volunteers in doing this short of thing - Standing in front of soldiers and tanks to get them to stop firing at civilians. This is the same group that Rachel Corrie was a member of. She was the American who got ran over by a Bulldozer.

Wikipedia has a lot more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... y_Movement


It's a pretty incredible read. This needs to be made into a movie.
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Land of Palestine

Unread postby vampyregirl » Thu 15 Jan 2009, 10:43:05

When Mark Twain visited Palestine in 1869 he described the land as barren and desolate and only sparsley populated.
Jerusalem according to the travellers of the day had become a paupers village.
The Peel Commission-issued in 1936?-found that Arab claims that Jews had been given to much of the fertile land in Palestine were unfounded since much of the Jewish agricultural land had originally been sand or swamp.
The original UN Partition Plan alloted to the Jews the land in Galilee that they had reclaimed from the swamps and a strip of the Meditteranean coast where Tel Aviv had been built. The majority of the land was alloted to the Arabs. The Arabs however wouldn't be satisfied with anything less than everything so they rejected the partition which led to war.
I won't go into the present Arab Israeli situation, I think thats already been covered here. I just wanted to post some historical facts.
What if things had gone the other way with the Partition Proposal? Could this conflict have been avoided?
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Re: Land of Palestine

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 15 Jan 2009, 12:48:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', 'W')hen Mark Twain visited Palestine in 1869 he described the land as barren and desolate and only sparsley populated.


A permanent return to Palestine's 1869 status would end the conflict, once and for all.
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Re: Land of Palestine

Unread postby strider3700 » Thu 15 Jan 2009, 20:10:39

Years ago in a grade 9 social studies class I failed a project for advocating nuking the entire area returning it to barren wasteland as a solution to end the fighting. How the hell a 14 year old is supposed to come up with a solution to a problem like this I have no idea.

jump ahead roughly 15 years and things haven't improved at all in the area and I still advocate that killing everyone or making the entire place wasteland is still the only solution that will work.
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Re: Land of Palestine

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Thu 15 Jan 2009, 20:33:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', 'W')hen Mark Twain visited Palestine in 1869 he described the land as barren and desolate and only sparsley populated.
A permanent return to Palestine's 1869 status would end the conflict, once and for all.

So you're saying that we should bring back the Ottoman Empire?!? Are you crazy?
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Re: Land of Palestine

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Thu 15 Jan 2009, 20:46:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen Mark Twain visited Palestine in 1869 he described the land as barren and desolate and only sparsley populated.

Of course that's BS. Here's what a Zionist Jew, Ahad Ha'am, wrote in 1891:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rom abroad, we are accustomed to believe that Eretz Israel is presently almost totally desolate, an uncultivated desert, and that anyone wishing to buy land there can come and buy all he wants. But in truth it is not so. In the entire land, it is hard to find tillable land that is not already tilled; only sandy fields or stony hills, suitable at best for planting trees or vines and, even that after considerable work and expense in clearing and preparing them- only these remain unworked. ... Many of our people who came to buy land have been in Eretz Israel for months, and have toured its length and width, without finding what they seek

Estimates of the population of Palestine at the time (west of the Jordan) were about half a million. Hardly desolate or unpopulated.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n 1852 the American writer Bayard Taylor travelled across the Jezreel Valley, which he described in his 1854 book The Lands of the Saracen; or, Pictures of Palestine, Asia Minor, Sicily and Spain as: "one of the richest districts in the world."[181], while Lawrence Oliphant, who visited Palestine in 1887, wrote that Palestine's Valley of Esdraelon was "a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands; and it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive."[182]
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Re: Land of Palestine

Unread postby The_Virginian » Fri 16 Jan 2009, 02:34:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', 'W')hen Mark Twain visited Palestine in 1869 he described the land as barren and desolate and only sparsley populated.
A permanent return to Palestine's 1869 status would end the conflict, once and for all.
So you're saying that we should bring back the Ottoman Empire?!? Are you crazy?

Why is that crazy?
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Re: Land of Palestine

Unread postby kam3Oen » Fri 16 Jan 2009, 06:52:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'j')ump ahead roughly 15 years and things haven't improved at all in the area and I still advocate that killing everyone or making the entire place wasteland is still the only solution that will work.

Yah, it'll work well, except for the 200 million+ that will die from the guaranteed Israeli second strike. Oh and most of the world's oil production; gone. :razz:
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Re: Land of Palestine

Unread postby outcast » Fri 16 Jan 2009, 08:16:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ears ago in a grade 9 social studies class I failed a project for advocating nuking the entire area returning it to barren wasteland as a solution to end the fighting. How the hell a 14 year old is supposed to come up with a solution to a problem like this I have no idea.

I said exactly the same thing to my english teacher in high school, although outside of class and not part of a graded assignment.
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Re: Land of Palestine

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 16 Jan 2009, 09:51:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', 'W')hen Mark Twain visited Palestine in 1869 he described the land as barren and desolate and only sparsley populated.
A permanent return to Palestine's 1869 status would end the conflict, once and for all.
So you're saying that we should bring back the Ottoman Empire?!? Are you crazy?

Why is that crazy?


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Re: Land of Palestine

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Fri 16 Jan 2009, 09:58:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', 'W')hen Mark Twain visited Palestine in 1869 he described the land as barren and desolate and only sparsley populated.
A permanent return to Palestine's 1869 status would end the conflict, once and for all.
So you're saying that we should bring back the Ottoman Empire?!? Are you crazy?

Why is that crazy?


That's what PlantedAgent has said with regard to a similar situation that I proposed (merging Israelis and Palestinians under Palestine). I'm simply showing how ridiculous his argument is.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ah, it'll work well, except for the 200 million+ that will die from the guaranteed Israeli second strike.

Who said it's guaranteed? I've never heard of their leaders making this assurance. Or is it more all just fantasy in your head?
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Re: Land of Palestine

Unread postby vampyregirl » Fri 16 Jan 2009, 11:54:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen Mark Twain visited Palestine in 1869 he described the land as barren and desolate and only sparsley populated.

Of course that's BS. Here's what a Zionist Jew, Ahad Ha'am, wrote in 1891:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rom abroad, we are accustomed to believe that Eretz Israel is presently almost totally desolate, an uncultivated desert, and that anyone wishing to buy land there can come and buy all he wants. But in truth it is not so. In the entire land, it is hard to find tillable land that is not already tilled; only sandy fields or stony hills, suitable at best for planting trees or vines and, even that after considerable work and expense in clearing and preparing them- only these remain unworked. ... Many of our people who came to buy land have been in Eretz Israel for months, and have toured its length and width, without finding what they seek

Estimates of the population of Palestine at the time (west of the Jordan) were about half a million. Hardly desolate or unpopulated.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n 1852 the American writer Bayard Taylor travelled across the Jezreel Valley, which he described in his 1854 book The Lands of the Saracen; or, Pictures of Palestine, Asia Minor, Sicily and Spain as: "one of the richest districts in the world."[181], while Lawrence Oliphant, who visited Palestine in 1887, wrote that Palestine's Valley of Esdraelon was "a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands; and it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive."[182]


Half a million is nothing when you consider the population of Israel today is about 7 million to say nothing of the population of the Palestinian territories.
The Peel Commission report found that Arab claims that Jews had been given to much of the fertile land in Palestine were unfounded since much of the Jewish agricultural land had originally been sand or swamp. Most of the land in Palestine was owned by a few dozen Effendis (Turkish term for Baron) who were only willing to sell to Jews the most unproductive land such as malarial swamps or sandy or rock hewn soil.
The Jews have done a lot of good with the land but I think a Jewish state is wrong. Palestine should have become an independent state consisting of both Jews and Arabs. No group has the right to exclude others.
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Re: Land of Palestine

Unread postby kam3Oen » Fri 16 Jan 2009, 12:03:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Jews have done a lot of good with the land but I think a Jewish state is wrong. Palestine should have become an independent state consisting of both Jews and Arabs. No group has the right to exclude others.


Tell that to the 22 other arab nations controlling 99% of the middle east. Tell them they don't have a right to exclude others from the "holy" cities of Mecca and Medina (or everywhere else they control and brutally subjugate minorities/dhimmis), and see how fast you get laughed out of the room/beaten to death by a mob of savages. Liberalism: a set of moral and behavioral standards imposed upon ONLY civilized people, a disease.
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Re: Land of Palestine

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Fri 16 Jan 2009, 12:09:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')alf a million is nothing when you consider the population of Israel today is about 7 million to say nothing of the population of the Palestinian territories.


So that makes it right to say that Palestine was unpopulated, a major point of propaganda for the Zionists (A land without a people for a people without a land)? By that same standard, the raping of the Americas was okay because they were less dense than they are currently.
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Re: Land of Palestine

Unread postby Jotapay » Fri 16 Jan 2009, 13:23:04

For the record, I think the Arab/Muslim way of going about their business is barbaric. But Israel's method is even more deceitful and vicious.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kam3Oen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Jews have done a lot of good with the land but I think a Jewish state is wrong. Palestine should have become an independent state consisting of both Jews and Arabs. No group has the right to exclude others.


Tell that to the 22 other arab nations controlling 99% of the middle east. Tell them they don't have a right to exclude others from the "holy" cities of Mecca and Medina (or everywhere else they control and brutally subjugate minorities/dhimmis), and see how fast you get laughed out of the room/beaten to death by a mob of savages. Liberalism: a set of moral and behavioral standards imposed upon ONLY civilized people, a disease.
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Re: Land of Palestine

Unread postby The_Virginian » Fri 16 Jan 2009, 14:23:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', 'W')hen Mark Twain visited Palestine in 1869 he described the land as barren and desolate and only sparsley populated.
A permanent return to Palestine's 1869 status would end the conflict, once and for all.
So you're saying that we should bring back the Ottoman Empire?!? Are you crazy?

Why is that crazy?


If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand.

Life was simply better for Jews and Arabs under the benevolent rule of the Sultan.

Other than one rabbi in rhodes who was executed for his communities failure to pay the annual tax, Jews were allowed to live, and even defend themselves.

So long as you did not revolt, the Turks were OK.

Not getting involved in the argument for or against the abortive "state of Israel"....
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