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Re: Sirius Star - LOST

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 10 Jan 2009, 14:25:16

"A plane was seen apparently dropping money by parachute"

Was that Ben Bernanke piloting that plane.

Oh, no--he uses a helicopter. :P
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Re: Sirius Star - LOST

Unread postby cipi604 » Sat 10 Jan 2009, 14:59:19

Peak Somali pirates ransom?
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Re: Sirius Star - LOST

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Sat 10 Jan 2009, 15:07:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '"')A plane was seen apparently dropping money by parachute"
Was that Ben Bernanke piloting that plane. Oh, no--he uses a helicopter. :P

Actually, a helicopter is no longer adequate for Bernanke's and Obama's undertakings ... Now they require a jumbo cargo plane.
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Re: Sirius Star - LOST

Unread postby outcast » Sat 10 Jan 2009, 17:06:59

A super tanker is big, but the ocean is much much bigger.
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Re: Sirius Star - LOST

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 10 Jan 2009, 18:41:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DoomWarrior', 'A')ctually, a helicopter is no longer adequate for Bernanke's and Obama's undertakings ... Now they require a jumbo cargo plane.

Almost, not quite. Ben has his finger on the button of the latest in monetary inventions, the Money M.I.R.V, the multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle for cash. They load up one of the ICBMs with money, and Ben & Henry target all the warheads to land in the backyards of their buddies, in the billions of dollars. They only bomb their friends though, everyone else is SOL.

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Re: Sirius Star - LOST

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 12 Jan 2009, 03:55:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', 'W')ith todays sattelite technology, that can read the writing on a cigarrette box in the street, how the hell can you "lose" a supertanker?

If the vessel's transponder is not functioning, it can be very difficult. Have you ever actually looked at a satellite image of water?

The Sirius Star is 330m long. Google Earth's maximum resolution is around 15m. To put that into perspective, I have created this image. It is the same area as the Indian Ocean, at 30m resolution (15m resolution was just too big to upload and expect people to view it). See if you can find my scale representation of the Sirius Star:

Huge image warning - roughly 1.5MB

Of course, this is a very rudamentary example. A real image would have many features to make identification much more difficult. Off the top of my head:
*First, the Indian Ocean is not perfectly square, and contains landmasses.
*Second, the wave patterns on the real Indian Ocean would be a lot less regular.
*Third, there would be multiple vessels in a real photo, as well as cloud shadows, weather distortions, various atolls, random aircraft and who knows what else.
*Fourth (big clue), I doubt a real ship would appear as a perfect black rectangle, perfectly horizontal to the image.
*Fifth, military satellite resolutions are far better than 15m, which means the real image would be huge.

And just so you know, I'm not trying to call you out. I'm just trying to illustrate the scope of the problem of locating such a small object on a satellite image. It's hard to look at a map and really "get" how much space is being represented.
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Re: Sirius Star - LOST

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Mon 12 Jan 2009, 08:25:01

I'd say someone knows how to spot an even smaller boat. as the Sirius Star isn't the only thing that's lost. A little more than coincidence don't you think?
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Re: Sirius Star - LOST

Unread postby Jester » Tue 13 Jan 2009, 03:39:21

when the US Navy can have pictures of the damn money being parachuted onto the boat, how hard is it to keep track of where the damn boat is? It's not like it can teleport away... it's 330m long and was in their cameras... you'd have to be some kind of incompetent to lose it when you're in that situation.
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Re: Sirius Star - LOST

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Tue 13 Jan 2009, 04:46:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jester', 'y')ou'd have to be some kind of incompetent to lose it when you're in that situation.

I feel like you're trying to raise some kind of very profound point, but I can't quite put my finger on what it might be... :lol:
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Re: Sirius Star - LOST

Unread postby carbniky » Wed 14 Jan 2009, 00:13:35

They couldn't find 3 airplanes for three hours flying over the US in 2001. Must be hard to find things.
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Re: Sirius Star - LOST

Unread postby threadbear » Wed 14 Jan 2009, 01:11:13

That sounds sirius. :)
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Re: Sirius Star - LOST

Unread postby Jester » Wed 14 Jan 2009, 04:31:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('carbniky', 'T')hey couldn't find 3 airplanes for three hours flying over the US in 2001. Must be hard to find things.


well, they did find those, and wisely chose to watch them fly around... and even send intercept jets flying at 1/3 of intercept speed to "intercept" them...

So I guess losing this ship while it was in their cameras should be no shock...
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