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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 22:16:37

eastbay wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')t the moment he died he was still unbelievably wealthy, maybe not #44, but somewhere around the top one or two hundred people on earth.


That's the point I made about the French fellow's death. Even after massive losses, these folks are still so much better off than 99.999999% of every other human who ever lived. So, the irrationality of it boggles the mind. One can almost understand suicide in situations of actually ending up on the street in utter destitution, or terminal illness.

Of course, I know the answer to my own question here. It's all about the psychology of catastrophic loss -- the dollar amount is irrelevant, all that matters is how much being number #44 meant to him.
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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 22:51:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')ReverseEngineer, you sound angry. I usually like your posts, good takes on energy, the future etc.


Read my posts in the Laughing at the Newly not-Rich thread in the Open Forum. You will understand better. If you still have questions after that, ask again.

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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby obixman » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 23:07:42

The death of anyone diminishes us all.....


some, not so much.
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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 23:13:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('obixman', 'T')he death of anyone diminishes us all.....


some, not so much.


This falls under the category, "Pigmen are less equal than other men". Ask not for Whom the Bell Tolls, it Tolls for the Pigman ;-)

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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby nobodypanic » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 23:44:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'A') People like Merckle are probably smarter than you. That's why they are rich.

funny... i am still alive.
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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby Concerned » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 23:53:13

Just juxtapose this story with tens of thousands of Indian farmers killing themselves because they cant pay their debts.

So whats the motto of this carefully managed story?

Be happy middle class white guys, being one of the top 100 rich in the world is so painful at times you could kill yourself?

Be happy to have less so that one day you don't have to kill yourself?
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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby Starvid » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 23:53:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burn0gas', 'I')nterestingly... he was born during the Great Depression... and died during the Great Depression II

Great Depression Two?

World War I used to be called the Great War. We cerainly don't call it Great War I and we don't call WWII Great War II, do we?

Hence, from now on the Great Depression is officially restyled World Depression I, and what we're looking at now is not the end, not even the beginning, but possibly, the end of the beginning, of World Depression II. 8)
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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby Starvid » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 23:56:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('idiom', 'M')aybe he was invested with MAdoff?

Maybe his net worth had gone underwater by a billion or two?

The personal shame of losing a bunch of money might be pretty significant, more so than the tradgedy of not be wealthy.

Or he could owe a lot of money to unsavoury types.

Or maybe he just had a nihilistic epihpany and decided to indulge his love of trains.

He had lost money speculating in VW shares. Pretty fantatsic that an entrepeneur who'd built his own companies from the ground up would do such a thing.

If I had managed to build my own company I'd do like Bechtel and keep it as far away as possible from the corossive stock exchanges.
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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby Starvid » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 23:57:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'A') People like Merckle are probably smarter than you. That's why they are rich.

funny... i am still alive.

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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby BlueGhostNo2 » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 00:19:16

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7697082.stm

There was a great deal of potential to lose money on VW shares, either buying when they were high or shorting when they weren't.

however for any of these folk to lose a large % of their net worth on a single bet is utter insanity. Same as the Madoff stories, I can't think of any nice factoid it shows except that perhaps they care too much about 'climbing up' when they're already basically at the top of the pile.

Hmm
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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby Snowrunner » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 00:23:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('auscanman', 'W')hat a sad spectacle it is when your net worth is all that makes life worth living!


Dunno, having grown up in that part of Germany there is a saying: "Schaffe schaffe Hauesle Baue", roughtly translated into: "work wor and build a house".

I don't know the dude, but if he is the typical business man in that part of the country then he really had poured himself into his business.

If you build something all your life and then it gets destroyed within a year I guess that could break someone, I doubt it was his wealth (alone) that let him do this.
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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby threadbear » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 00:23:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'A')t the moment he died he was still unbelievably wealthy, maybe not #44, but somewhere around the top one or two hundred people on earth.

There must be more to this story... something best kept quiet.


Somebody was looking for him. They were going to torture him to death. They let him know it. Same with some of the other "suicides"


Well yes anything's possible but I hadn't thought of anything quite like that at all. 8O

I was thinking of something... very personal. It could be just about anything, I suppose.


I actually know of a hush hush case from my part of the world. A mutual fund that promised 30% returns, turned out to be a Ponzi, about a decade or so ago. Some organized gangsters were either laundering cash through the fund, or just depositing it in check form like anyone else. So, the fund manager may not even have been aware, of his vulnerable position. Anyway, they showed up at his door, middle of the night, beat him to within an inch of his life, and told him there would be more of the same if he didn't come up with their money. Learned this through back channels. It didn't make the press, of course, nor was it reported to police.

It is NO mystery to me why these suicides are taking place. Same during the crash of '29. Perps avoiding vigilante justice the only way they can. Also, many insurance policies don't have suicide riders, so the wife and kids have a little something left to live on.
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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby Hermes » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 02:51:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'C')apitalism rewards smart people.


I believe Capitalism rewards ruthless people. People in this civilization are constantly presented with the choice of "becoming rich" if they so choose. The choice isn't based on intelligence, though it's framed that way by the cheerleaders of this civilization. Many VERY intelligent people have decided to essentially take enough to get by rather than taking an obscene amount of the "goodies" out there.

Rather the choice is based on how insane a person can choose to be. The more insanely greedy you can make yourself ... the richer you become.
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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby Hermes » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 02:58:11

Looking at us looking at Merckle is an interesting exercise.

I believe it's similar to how many so-called "Third Worlders" will view us during the collapse. Many people in this society will lose their will to live in the coming years. They will become utterly depressed and will often kill themselves.

People in societies where they live hand-to-mouth right now will, I suspect, look at members of this society killing themselves because they lost the middle management job ... and they will gawk. They will scratch their heads and it won't make sense to them, that people will want to kill themselves because they're left "only" with a car, a rental house and a college education.
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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 03:48:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hermes', 'L')ooking at us looking at Merckle is an interesting exercise.

I believe it's similar to how many so-called "Third Worlders" will view us during the collapse. Many people in this society will lose their will to live in the coming years. They will become utterly depressed and will often kill themselves.

People in societies where they live hand-to-mouth right now will, I suspect, look at members of this society killing themselves because they lost the middle management job ... and they will gawk. They will scratch their heads and it won't make sense to them, that people will want to kill themselves because they're left "only" with a car, a rental house and a college education.


Well, herein lies the underpinning of just why the Black Humor I write disturbs many people here. You have to remember the composition of the board in economic terms, demographically speaking it is highly skewed toward what was the upper middle class of developed nations, with in fact a fair representation of some quite wealthy people.

When I first joined the board less than a year ago, this bunch of folks felt quite secure with Axioms they held as incontrovertably true, that the outrageously rich Pigmen would walk thru this unscathed, and that the moderately rich syncophants would suffer some difficulties but most of the pain would be visited on the poorest members of society. Arguing that this was not so in my thread "Falling Stockbrokers and Going Postal" brought guffaws and jeers, I was told that it was far more likely middle class J6Ps would be commiting suicide than the Pigmen. However, what I predicted has come to pass now, it really IS Raining Pigmen.

So, when I write my Black Humour at the SAME time the actual suicides are taking place, its highly disturbing to those folks who THOUGHT they were safe here. There's no way I could drive home these points any clearer than by making these jokes. Most people really just do not grasp what kind of LEVELLER we are talking about here. You are not talking about the impoverishment of just a portion of the society or even a portion of the world, you are talking about GLOBAL impoverishment. The money is simply being rendered worthless, at it always has been really just as long as people will buy into the illusion of perpetual growth you can make the illusion seem real enough.

For nearly ALL people in developed countries who have bought into this system and to one extent or another set themselves above the rest of the world because they THOUGHT that the money they were making was real, that their investments would always pay off, as they each come to realize for themselves that it all can disappear in just an instant really, their whole underpinning of what they believed to be true is taken from them. In our culture, Money has come to define who you are, what class you are and it thoroughly divides off the Haves from the Have Nots of the world. Its not JUST that you no longer are rich, its that now you are ONE OF THEM. One of those who you said was just poor because they were Lazy or because they weren't as smart as some Pigman. Not only are you poor, but you cannot see any way out of NOT being poor. Those smarts you thought you had that set you apart aren't helping you, you are as lost in this as all the rest of the poor folks, all the rest of the laid off GM Workers, all the rest of the generations of Welfare moms you so despised for sucking off you and driving up your taxes. Now you are just like THEM.

As I watch members disappear off this board, I note that most of them come from the class of the very well to do. Their world is crashing down first here, and particularly if they read my prose, I paint a very unpleasant picture of the future for them. Some, but fewer all the time will argue with me, but they can't win because the facts as they play out demonstrate what I say to be true, the News backs me up. That I show absolutely NO compassion for the plight of the wealthy investor "hoodwinked" out of millions by Bernie or for a German Industrialist despondent enough to throw himself in front of a locomotive is a clear demonstration of the fact that they are not going to get a whle lot of sympathy from the population of the unwashed masses they so despised. I am one of the NICE guys! I would actually give people a fair trial, before I hang them. LOL.

One member here described me as a "Rock" who doesn't change with the blowing winds, who stands his ground, and so I am. For those who have suffered for generations at the hands of the Pigmen, my compassion is boundless. For those who have served as syncophants to the Pigmen, I have mostly pity but little compassion. For the Pigmen themselves, I have only contempt, which I will express in no uncertain terms. I will write Black Humour, and I'll spit out Fire and Brimstone like a Chataqua Preacher overdosed on Crystal Meth. I spit out the words like Bullets, and my Aim is True. Read it in the News for yourself. It's Raining Pigmen alright, and the rain has only just begun.

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Cause tonight for the first time
Just about half-past ten
For the first time in history
It's gonna start raining Pigmen.

It's Raining PigMen! Hallelujah! - It's Raining PigMen! Amen!
I'm gonna go out to run and let myself get
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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby manu » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 05:06:05

Can't go wrong with a name like Adolf. It just keeps on getting better.
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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby nobodypanic » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 05:38:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'A') People like Merckle are probably smarter than you. That's why they are rich.

funny... i am still alive.
You misquoted me. Or you can't spell. Or you don't understand html. This is what I said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Me', 'P')eople like Merckle are probably smarter than you. That's why they are rich. Capitalism rewards smart people. So consider Merckle an example. Our future.

or maybe you just did a poor job of expressing yourself?

if your contention is that people like him are smarter, as proven by his relative wealth, then: funny... i am still alive.
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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 20:37:33

People have been waiting for window jumpers. I think this qualifies even though he jumped in front of a train.

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Re: Adolf Merckle Jumps In Front of Train

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Thu 08 Jan 2009, 18:11:50

RE - the overwhelming majority of people can't accept the economic Armageddon that is coming. No doubt suicide will significantly increase. Heck, I'm not even sure I can make it without all my material goodies.
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