[bodigami]

And it's not fun anymore... at least not when I add it to other non sense and try to make sense out of it. I guess I will really just breathe and live, without thinking much about doom. Reality is actually so beautiful and simple, as accessed through meditation.

And I am not a cornucopian, there are no magical solutions to Peak Oil. But doom in ideas as "5 of 7 people will die in some decades" are insane. Maybe some people really like the theme of the End of the World... but I don't want to take that seriously doom ideas.

Even overshoot... I am fine if humanity goes extinct, but I don't see it as that probable. And those species that are going extinct, I don't care about them anymore. It is just life... it always dies.

From where we came and where we are going, and how reality really is, that's barely describable... but I have experienced or realised it... and it's nice. Even if this part of the multiverse is devolving, there are lessons to be learn from it.

And I don't hate anything or anyone now... I guess the "exhaust all the hate and anger in your shadow by manifesting it; because the hindrances are self-destructive they won't last much"... lol, I had more hate and anger than I thought I had... but it's all gone now.

Doom and ecological collapse didn't help much... it gave some sort of "reality, fact and science" to my general dislike towards humanity and fueled it with "ethical reasons" (ecology)... I don't care anymore, I can change few of what is happening now... but it's fine, it is the logical outcome that is consequence of the collective intentionality of humanity. The "core or essence" is unchanged and unchangeable, for those that seek and found it... I will simply rest there whenever I can. But this doom is not healthy.

Death is natural and much welcome when it comes. I am ready for my death, and have an accurate idea of "what happens next" (there are actually few possibilities, I have all of them covered and all make me glad of death but also happy of life). But why theorize about not only my death but those of various species including my own? I'm fine with so many deaths... but what is more at risk is Civilization, not Humanity.

I can still read some doom, but I can not take it seriously anymore. It's more productive to project (and implement locally) how we want humanity to change than to find some form of relief with the idea that "it is all going to collapse anyway".

I have gone through a lot in my life... so much that I am happy by just being alive. But one of the most destructive memes that I have adopted, and now will just kill/forget is the "end of the [s]world[/s] humanity" meme... It is not healthy to think this way.

It has being 8 years of doom for me... that is actually what I now consider my mental illness. For years, I was a doomer. It didn't matter what form it took, I just wanted to see everyone die and to see humanity destroyed. But that is not healthy. There were times where I totally lost the sense of reality because "doom didn't came soon enough". Like some crazy shaman I was calling, invoking doom. And it was because of being eager of doom and not experiencing it (or anything like it), instead of being content with my usually calm mind. Some people consider me crazy/psychotic in "real life" and on the Net. I want to leave that in the past.

It is much better to just accept that reality is ugly, and be free from suffering in my little piece of reality. To just live without hurting other beings. That is quite simple, yet accepting it took me quite a lot.

Doom (and infinite growth) is not only a lie, it's a disease. Better find a middle way.

[Jotapay]

You sound like you're not prepping. Quit being such a hippie-fvck and get serious. Learn how to take care of yourself no matter what situation in which you find yourself and you will be fine.

[thuja]

Good for you bodingamin- survivalism and endless prepping often keep you from being "here". Here you are...breathe, live, create, give, share, return and die...

[JohnDenver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'Y')ou sound like you're not prepping. Quit being such a hippie-fvck and get serious.

[niknak]

Dooomers go into denial, it helps them cope. Hey, if you are happpy, move to San Francisco, you shouldn't even feel it coming.

Myself I feel great, I am going to survive the nukes and the oil, and I am going to live off the grid. That is the way we should live. but each to his own.

Oh, oil will run out quite suddenly. and all nations will fall apart within a week. You will be alive when that happens, you will remember these posts, and you will say, ooops.

but until then you can be quite happy in denial.

[jasonraymondson]

Don't worry about it man. Most of the people on here have been outcasts of society for so long, that the only thing they now understand is some sort of twisted sociopathic need for those that don't imbrace them to suffer some terrible fate. It gives their life some sort of justification for the suffering that they feel they go through.

Daddy why don't you love me... blah blah blah Expletive deleted the world you can all die. Other doomers on here are (Christian / other religious) nut jobs who want some proof that the invisible omnipotent monkey in the sky is real and that they haven't wasted their life on nothing. Doomerism, is just a hardon for meaning. That these people haven't suffered for no reason. It is a sickness.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '
')Doomerism, is just a hardon for meaning. That these people haven't suffered for no reason. It is a sickness.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'Y')ou sound like you're not prepping. Quit being such a hippie-fvck and get serious. Learn how to take care of yourself no matter what situation in which you find yourself and you will be fine.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')If you were dropped from a helicopter onto a random location anywhere on the globe, could you make it? If not, why not? This one simple question is the only one that needs to be answered affirmatively in order to be OK in the future.

[RedStateGreen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') just wanted to see everyone die and to see humanity destroyed.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I') think there is a place for Rambos in the final act, but I think developing people skills will be more useful during the majority of the downward slide.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')Actually, the idea that I proposed is completely antithetical to being a 'Rambo'. We're not talking the first Predator movie here, more like MacGyver or an Eagle Scout.

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '(')...)
bodinagamin, let me ask you a question. If you were dropped from a helicopter onto a random location anywhere on the globe, could you make it? If not, why not? This one simple question is the only one that needs to be answered affirmatively in order to be OK in the future.

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') just wanted to see everyone die and to see humanity destroyed.

[thuja]

I'm going to have to mostly agree bod.

That doesn't mean I think we have to ignore the tremendous problems facing the world. And I think there are proactive steps one can take in one's life and in one's community. But to imagine the wholesale culling of upwards of 5 billion people in the next few years as a plausible scenario. Mein Gott! Even if it turns out to e true why bother even thinking about it? I'd prefer to be one of the dead...

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodinagamin', 'I') DON'T care if I don't survive impossible doom scenarios. But just thinking about them and theorizing about its possibility... that's just sickness.

Life dies, always. Better prep for the one thing certain in life: death. Just accept death (of you, and of your species, and all species eventually)... but don't make it into the theme of your life. After accepting death, LIVE.

[ki11ercane]

Prepping for me has become the sh1t. Seriously. My life has drastically improved since I became PO aware. I've gone from Doomer to Prepper though, and they are two different animals. It's like being diagnosed with a late stage cancer. If you can survive it and make it out of stage 1, you're changed forever as a person. Some people hear the bad news and are stuck in Doomer Stage 4 cancer forever, and while they prep, they do waste time living. I think getting out of that mindset *IS* acceptance of your demise, however you're going to do everything you can to stave it off.

While I think Zombie Hordes, mauraders, and massive die-off are not in my lifetime (I am in my middle 30's), it will probably happen in my daughters lifetime and definitely in her children's lifetime. So far since I became PO aware in 2005:

1. I have paid off my house.
2. Eradicated myself of debt, 100%.
3. Bought a piece of land outside of the city. (about 25 miles out)
4. Stopped buying anything "crap" and concentrated on the things I need to live and not all the background noise garbage that will end up in the Goodwill Bin anyways. (That doesn't make me a hippie, that makes me a human. All this China Mart and Whest Buy sh1t is so disconnecting to mental health it ridiculous)
5. In the light of our current global financial situation, I am not panicked if things go south for my business; I AM PREPPED FOR IT.
6. I have learned new skills like gardening, basic mechanics, basic wood working (ie. building a shelter) emergency preparedness, (ie. vehicle and home) and I have gone back into hunting and shooting.
7. I don't have a problem being alone. I like me, I LOVE me. When the wife and daughter are not around, I am content to be by myself. Gives me ample ability to love the important people in my life a lot more. With a lot of background noise gone, this is a lot easier.

Why have I done all of this, and why am I ready for more?

Because for now, things don't seem to be improving in our first world society. You can give any reason you like. Peak Oil, bad social spending habits, climate change, whatever. The next 20 years will be far different and probably worse than the last 20. If you think doing nothing AND doing the same thing you're doing now is going to help you, it's not.

If you believe that everything is great, it's getting better and not worse, and you don't think you have to change anything "just in case," no amount of convincing is going to change your mind. And to be honest, I am GLAD that there are literally billions of people who think this way. More for me and my family if things go super south.