[idiom]

To be a depression, breadlines have to average at least 95 persons, for 2 quarters, in at least 15 states.

[careinke]

Cube wrote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')esides "Economics & Finance" is suppose to be *objective*. It's not about people's feelings.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '
')*looks out bedroom window*

We're still in a recession so by definition it is minor.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '[')b]Cube wrote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')esides "Economics & Finance" is suppose to be *objective*. It's not about people's feelings.

[dohboi]

I know that economists haven't declared this a depression yet, but look it took them till a few weeks ago to declare the recession, and then, lo and behold, we had already been in a recession for a year.

The official declaration of the state of misery we are in is always late and always after just about everybody else knows what's going on.

Cube won't accept that it's a depression till some official group of experts declares it so for him in another year or so. Everyone else can just open their eyes and see for themselves.

Wiki definition of depression:

"Depression is characterized by abnormal increases in unemployment, restriction of credit, shrinking output and investment, numerous bankruptcies, reduced amounts of trade and commerce, as well as highly volatile relative currency value fluctuations, mostly devaluations. Price deflation or hyperinflation are also common elements of a depression."

This sounds generally like a pretty darn good description of what's going on.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '[')img]http://www.sonofthesouth.net/union-generals/sioux-indians/pictures/indian-village.jpg[/img]

Perhaps life wasn't so bad back then, before the ethnociders came. Perhaps life was much better in many ways. At least in those days people's of America didn't need to be constantly ashamed of themselfes. So maybe it's not that bad thing, starting slowly to learn how to live like a real American - in a tent village.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'g')eez I don't know about that one MrBean.
I kind of prefer life today with it's modern conveniences like you know the internet!
But hey I understand everyone is entitled to their own preferences.
I'm not here to impose my ideology on anyone seriously.
*Just ask all the people on my ignore list!*
If you don't care for having internet access I understand.

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')
Fundamentally, there is no reason you cannot live in portable housing and have access to the internet. I lived for 6 years in my Freightliner and had access to the Internet all the time. When I go out fishing, I STILL have access to the internet, in freaking ALASKA! You can get rid of all the SUVS, all the McMansions and all the Banksters, and you still could access the internet. All we need is one Nuclear Power Plant dedicated to run all the servers and a few satellites and we can have the internet right up until we are making Stone Tools. LOL.

Personally, the IDEAL life as far as I am concerned would be to live following the herds of Caribou in my tent while I chit chat with Polish Pimps running Debt Prisons and Bozo Day Traders on the internet

I see no reason we have to give this one up, its not consuming THAT much energy that one Nuke Plant couldn't handle it. Heck, I'll use my Hand Crank Generator to keep my laptop running when the power goes down! It might slow down my keyboarding somewhat, which most people here would consider a GOOD thing. LOL.

Hunter-Gatherers with Internet Cell Phones! That's the IDEAL Post Peak Oil World!

Reverse Engineer

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')
Fundamentally, there is no reason you cannot live in portable housing and have access to the internet. I lived for 6 years in my Freightliner and had access to the Internet all the time. When I go out fishing, I STILL have access to the internet, in freaking ALASKA! You can get rid of all the SUVS, all the McMansions and all the Banksters, and you still could access the internet. All we need is one Nuclear Power Plant dedicated to run all the servers and a few satellites and we can have the internet right up until we are making Stone Tools. LOL.

Personally, the IDEAL life as far as I am concerned would be to live following the herds of Caribou in my tent while I chit chat with Polish Pimps running Debt Prisons and Bozo Day Traders on the internet

I see no reason we have to give this one up, its not consuming THAT much energy that one Nuke Plant couldn't handle it. Heck, I'll use my Hand Crank Generator to keep my laptop running when the power goes down! It might slow down my keyboarding somewhat, which most people here would consider a GOOD thing. LOL.

Hunter-Gatherers with Internet Cell Phones! That's the IDEAL Post Peak Oil World!

Reverse Engineer

[dohboi]

"Hunter-Gatherers with Internet Cell Phones! That's the IDEAL Post Peak Oil World!"

I heard a report on NPR about a year ago about just this thing in Siberia: people living essentially hunter-gatherer lifestyles but with cell phones and other technology that kept them abreast of anything happening in the rest of the world that they might want to learn about. The guy that they talked to really enjoyed this combination. The only problem was that most of the women of the tribe had given up on the hunter-gathering part and moved into town. So it might be a lonely life.

As for energy use, the latest I heard, the net was using ten percent of the nation's electricity. That sounds like more than one nuke's worth.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '
')As for energy use, the latest I heard, the net was using ten percent of the nation's electricity. That sounds like more than one nuke's worth.

[gnm]

Data farms use a surprisingly large amount of power as do all the distributed routers/hubs/etc that the telcomm boys run. 10% sounds high but maybe not unreasonable. I doubt that includes all home pc's however. Power consumption has decreased on a per-server level quite a bit in the past 10 years but the primary response to that has been to increase capacity. Now you can run 40 servers in the same rack you had one - power consumption only up 20% but capacity increased dramatically. Thats been the mindset.

I think it would certainly be possible to keep an "internet" of some kind up in a powerdown situation and would very likely be done since the relative value of communications can far exceed the minimal expenditure. There wouldn't be any motivation to return to the pony express.

-G

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '
')As for energy use, the latest I heard, the net was using ten percent of the nation's electricity. That sounds like more than one nuke's worth.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '.')..
And ridiculous? You are ridiculing the hobos or neonatives in tent villages of your "civilized" America.
...

[nobodypanic]

F the internet. i'd rather ride free across the plains with the wind in my hair.

only a madman would voluntary accept these clever shackles for something so silly as the internet.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 'F') the internet. i'd rather ride free across the plains with the wind in my hair.

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 'F') the internet. i'd rather ride free across the plains with the wind in my hair.

only a madman would voluntary accept these clever shackles for something so silly as the internet.

[Quinny]

[
LMAO

quote="ReverseEngineer"]$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'g')eez I don't know about that one MrBean.
I kind of prefer life today with it's modern conveniences like you know the internet!
But hey I understand everyone is entitled to their own preferences.
I'm not here to impose my ideology on anyone seriously.
*Just ask all the people on my ignore list!*
If you don't care for having internet access I understand.

[Ferretlover]

Off Topic posts have been split from this thread.
Moderator hat ON: Stay on topic and
Moderator hat OFF: knock off the ad hom attacks.
Moderator hat ON: Thank you.

[nobodypanic]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 'F') the internet. i'd rather ride free across the plains with the wind in my hair.