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THE Brent Crude Thread (merged)

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Re: West Texas vs. Brent

Unread postby Twilight » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 19:46:57

Dante might chime in, but as far as I can see, the gap has not really got bigger, because the price of a barrel of oil has got bigger too. The gap was only a dollar or two several years ago, but then oil was only $30 or $40. And we saw a $5-6 gap when US storage was getting low last summer, and that was at $70-80 oil. It does vary with events, but its absolute size at this point seems to be proportional to where the prices are.
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Brent/WTI Spread

Unread postby mefistofeles » Fri 19 Dec 2008, 15:42:10

What's with the huge spread between Brent and WTI? At $9/barrel the spread is quite significant in absolute terms and at these prices relative terms,representing a 20%+ premium.
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Re: Brent/WTI Spread

Unread postby misterno » Fri 19 Dec 2008, 23:36:05

I think it is an indication of production increase or decrease in Texas
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Re: Brent/WTI Spread

Unread postby GoghGoner » Sat 20 Dec 2008, 00:33:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'I') think it is an indication of production increase or decrease in Texas


Huh?

CRUDE: WTI $42.81/bbl, up 45 cents; BRENT $44.00/bbl, up 64 cents

that's for feb futures. I guess January close is what you were looking at -- sounds like folks closing out there positions must have caused the temporary margin b/w WTI and Brent.
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Re: Brent/WTI Spread

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sat 20 Dec 2008, 01:22:38

WTI spread is due to the full up inventory at Cushing. Thats where they get the WTI number from. Its just recently reached full up inventory.

Lots of big players storing huge quantities at 36-40$/bbl. Hmmm, I wonder why?
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Re: Brent/WTI Spread

Unread postby yesplease » Sat 20 Dec 2008, 12:23:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'L')ots of big players storing huge quantities at 36-40$/bbl. Hmmm, I wonder why?
Because OPEC sucks at production cuts, so there's a clear window before they can implement 'em, if they do implement them that is. :lol:
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Brent crude tops $110

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 23 Feb 2011, 11:32:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/von%20havenstein/Brent%202.23_0.jpg[/img]
A $10 move in a week is just what the doctor ordered to destroy the last trace of surreality in the whole "economic recovery" story. At this rate we will take out all time high crude prices by mid March. As we have been saying since December, a rapid move in oil will undo years of carefully planned propaganda and money printing.

Yet the weakness that "nobody could have possibly predicted" is just as we had forecast: global and US weakness in late February/March, market swoons in March/April (as per DeMark's repeat appearance), Fed releases early indications of QE3 in May. In the meantime, we also get a war as a bonus to boost the US military-defense industrial complex. Pretty much a rerun of the first great depression to the dot.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/brent-passes-110


If the price of oil gets out of control, the whole quantitative easing house of cards will crumble.
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Re: Brent crude tops $110

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 23 Feb 2011, 13:05:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')If the price of oil gets out of control, the whole quantitative easing house of cards will crumble.


All of Obama's efforts to prop up BAU have been stupid and counter-productive. The stimulus bill, the supplemental budgets....its fixed nothing. Its all just wasted money.

Obama and the democrats have just wasted two valuable years and blown through 3 TRILLION dollars of new debt to accomplish....nothing.

As oil prices rise again we're looking at another recession caused by high oil prices----just like the last one.

Will Obama figure out what is happening this time? Surely Obama isn't so stupid that he won't figure it out this time? We can't keep propping up BAU and pretending the economy is recovering while ignoring the fundamental problem----cycles of high energy prices due to peak oil cause cycles of global recessions.
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Re: Brent crude tops $110

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 23 Feb 2011, 13:14:29

Are you a manic hand washer? :|

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Re: Brent crude tops $110

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 23 Feb 2011, 14:18:39

US crude crossed the $100 mark.. brent now at $111

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')S Crude Crosses $100 Mark; Brent Tops $110
http://www.cnbc.com/id/41726474
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Re: Brent crude tops $110

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 23 Feb 2011, 15:01:43

Its hilarious to see Geithner out today claiming that the US economy is now STRONGER then it was before the 2008 recession, and so better able to handle high oil prices. Do Geithner and Obama ever actually look at the foreclosure rate, deficit, unemployment rate, trade deficit, value of the dollar or any of the other data or does they just make up new BS each and every day? :roll:
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Re: Brent crude tops $110

Unread postby eXpat » Wed 23 Feb 2011, 15:07:28

Back to 2008! :shock:
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Re: Brent crude tops $110

Unread postby TimH » Wed 23 Feb 2011, 18:17:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'B')ack to 2008! :shock:


Hey it could be worse and be "Back To The Future" Double 8O 8O

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Re: Brent crude tops $110

Unread postby Ferretlover » Wed 23 Feb 2011, 18:26:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'o')r do they just make up new BS each and every day? :roll:

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! (just teasing, Plant :) )
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Re: Brent crude tops $110

Unread postby gnm » Wed 23 Feb 2011, 18:32:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'O')bama and the democrats have just wasted two valuable years and blown through 3 TRILLION dollars of new debt to accomplish....nothing.


Nothing? Surely you jest - You wouldn't have wanted all those bankers to pay for the results of their fraud would you? How would they have managed without multi million dollar bonuses this year? /sarc

Not nothing... he paid his masters well.... with our and our children's money... :badgrin:
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Brent-WTI spread

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Tue 19 Apr 2011, 01:11:22

Brent-WTI spread
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or most of the last decade, there was very little difference between the price of West Texas Intermediate traded in Cushing, Oklahoma and that for North Sea Brent in Europe. But a $10-$15 spread between the two developed at the end of January and has remained ever since.
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For example, Chevron is currently offering $123.25 for a barrel of Louisiana light sweet, $17 more than it is willing to pay for Oklahoma sweet. A year ago the differential was only $3. That gap means that U.S. refiners on the coast are paying a huge premium to buy imported oil, when there are plenty of inland domestic producers who'd love to sell it to them at a significantly lower price.
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The Seaway pipeline has the capacity to transport 430,000 barrel a day between the Gulf and Cushing. But currently, the pipeline is carrying oil from the Gulf, where it is so expensive, to Cushing, where it is cheap.
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Re: Brent-WTI spread

Unread postby Pops » Tue 19 Apr 2011, 08:35:36

This is what I've been saying for months.

Who can blame Conoco for wanting to keep the price down in OK? It's a free market, they own the pipe and refine in Ponca City, OK so why would they want to reduce the surplus and increase their price of stock?

But never fear, within a couple years the Kestone pipe that increased the glut at Cushing will continue to the gulf and the Enbridge "Northern Gateway" will go to the Pacific and all will be well with the free market.

Or... the US/Canadian governments will block construction of the pipes, sticking their toe in the "oil nationalization" waters. That would make things interesting...
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Re: THE Brent Crude Thread (merged)

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Fri 10 Jun 2011, 22:57:26

The Brent/WTI spread is now near an all-time record of $19

Brent = 117.44/bbl
WTI = 98.92/bbl

117.44 - 98.92 = $18.52 divergence (spread)
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Re: THE Brent Crude Thread (merged)

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Mon 13 Jun 2011, 09:25:21

2 days ago the Brent/WTIC spread reached a record high of $19, and today, for a while anyway, the spread reached $20 ($119 vs. $99) ... a new record high disparity.
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Re: THE Brent Crude Thread (merged)

Unread postby dolanbaker » Mon 13 Jun 2011, 09:33:30

Over $21 right now...
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