by vaseline2008 » Thu 18 Dec 2008, 19:08:37
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nefarious', 'Y')ou also still live in a time of plenty.
That's true! It's quite possible most people will turn into assholes when times are tough.
Ah yes...the 1992 Los Angeles Riots are a pretty good example. Weren't we in a recession in '92? People just needed a good enough reason to go haywire. But as I recall the US Military came charging in declared Martial
Martial Law and made the Coliseum the "jail".
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't civil unrest usually something that primarily occurs within the poor and hungry demographic? It sure seems that way when you look at all the pissed off people around the globe.
I'd rather be the killer than the victim.
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by Ludi » Thu 18 Dec 2008, 19:38:35
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vaseline2008', '
')Ah yes...the 1992 Los Angeles Riots are a pretty good example.
Except
most people didn't participate in them. Only a small handful, relatively, of LA's enormous population took part in the riots. The riots were limited to a rather small area of that huge city.
There was a curfew for a few days, but not martial law. At least not that I can remember. Most folks just continued their normal routine and avoided the troubled parts of town.
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by seahorse » Thu 18 Dec 2008, 20:20:55
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'S')o, when the military think tank says what is happening in Zimbabwe could happen here, for a myriad of reasons, don't be so dismissive. It would behoove people to pay attention.
Why? If the US is going to turn into Zimbabwe, then it's a done deal, and you might as well forget about it. At that point, who cares? It's game over and there's no reason to care about anything anymore, at least if you're in America. Unless of course you're proposing some kind of solution. But you're not. You never talk about solutions. All you talk about is problems and defeat and despair, the more lurid the better. It's almost like you're trying to one-up yourself, or craving attention. You're getting to the point now where it's like nuclear war level doom. You've already hit "10" on the worst case scenario scale. Personally I don't give a crap about contingencies that bad. If the nuke is gonna drop, I might as well put on my sunglasses and sit outside in a lawnchair.
I'm also detecting a really strong racial undercurrent in your concerns. You're using all the appropriate code words, but it still comes through real strong.
JD,
After being enlisted, I became an officer. As a young officer, I worked for a year as a general's aid. During that time period, I learned one thing about being a general, bc the general always said it over and over. How could he possibly solve problems when people were scared to tell him what they were for fear of losing their jobs?
Why do I relay that story, bc of this comment from you:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy? If the US is going to turn into Zimbabwe, then it's a done deal, and you might as well forget about it. At that point, who cares? It's game over and there's no reason to care about anything anymore, at least if you're in America.
First, the world has a serious financial crisis on its hands right now, admittedly now in a recession, but a little late on that admission. Even the President and Paulson have warned the world, the world, of a completely financial meltdown. So, If I'm warning, I'm warning in good company and my sources are good.
What is the outcome of all this? I've never said the Zimbabwe outcome is a done deal, have I. Further, the military strategest quoted doesn't say those problems are done deals either, only potential outcomes if the problems aren't recognized and solved. So, until we collectively recognize a problem it won't be solved, and then, only maybe. We've collectively recognized social security as a problem and failed to deal with it for years now.
Same is true now with currency issues and all the other problems mentioned in the article. Until people recognize the problem, the problem can't be solved. And, we have serious problems with trade and budget deficits right now that could lead to the many problems this article, and me, warn about. My goal here? To make sure that articles like this get as much needed attention as possible.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nless of course you're proposing some kind of solution. But you're not. You never talk about solutions.
by eastbay » Fri 19 Dec 2008, 00:42:58
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'B')ut I don't live in or near the ghetto anymore. The closest ghetto to me is over 100 miles away as the crow flies. I'm out.
I thought you were in LA??
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by Ayoob » Fri 19 Dec 2008, 01:00:49
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'B')ut I don't live in or near the ghetto anymore. The closest ghetto to me is over 100 miles away as the crow flies. I'm out.
I thought you were in LA??
Nope. No mas, cabron. I finished school and moved. Good money, job security many people would drool over right now, a nice safe neighborhood filled with the good people of America.
When the nature of peak oil finally wormed its way into my gut I threw my life in the trash and changed direction completely. Goodbye LA, hello... somewhere else!
That said, let's get this thread back on track. How does America become Zimbabwe? How did Zimbabwe become Zimbabwe?
by eastbay » Fri 19 Dec 2008, 01:04:14
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'B')ut I don't live in or near the ghetto anymore. The closest ghetto to me is over 100 miles away as the crow flies. I'm out.
I thought you were in LA??
Nope. No mas, cabron. I finished school and moved. Good money, job security many people would drool over right now, a nice safe neighborhood filled with the good people of America.
When the nature of peak oil finally wormed its way into my gut I threw my life in the trash and changed direction completely. Goodbye LA, hello... somewhere else!
That said, let's get this thread back on track. How does America become Zimbabwe? How did Zimbabwe become Zimbabwe?
Bueno idea e bueno suerte companero.
by Ludi » Fri 19 Dec 2008, 11:16:44
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
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Although there is plenty here on peakoil.com
Yes, that's true, but I have to admit I rarely get into political and philosophical discussions with people at the grocery store or the feed store.
by eastbay » Fri 19 Dec 2008, 13:00:33
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'A')yoob, My very basic understanding of the Zimbabwe hyperinflation was they did what Germany did pre-WWII, they monetized their debt, basically, printed lots of money to pay off IMF loans. There were other political blunders, but hyperinflation is the direct result of a gov't monetizing the debt. The risk for the US is it has admittedly begun some monetization of the debt and Bernanke has stated, within the last few weeks, this is an option the US will use. The question is, can it be done without leading to hyperinflation? I've never read a convincing argument that one can monetize and not hyperinflate.
Follow the large investments. We will see a trend toward non dollar investments developing immediately prior to the beginning of significant inflation. It shouldn't be too long from now.
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by eastbay » Fri 19 Dec 2008, 20:37:49
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'P')erhaps people should talk about such things more openly IRL rather than reserving it for the internet.
So we'll be more hostile?
That's exactly what I was thinking when I read that. Why anyone would want to increase hostility and anger in open society is beyond me.
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