[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'h')ttp://www.exodusnews.com/HISTORY/History007.htm

[Cloud9]

http://www.civilwarhome.com/draftriots.htm

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'h')ttp://www.civilwarhome.com/draftriots.htm

[duke]

Dave..Good to hear you have some neighbors with the sense to do that. Up here in this local I refer to we...are the only ones with chickens. With a fish pond and a large one full of self breeding fish for food. Stored supplies. Lights on during an outage. A couple families have their horses...but they need food unless one plans to eat them. We do:):).

This is a working ranch here....in other words you must work to stay here. I don't have enough work here to exchange for housing and food... for the value and pleasure of their company either. Not even the village idiot:):).

Up here in this group of folks we have spent time getting to know, have stayed here and we post weekly.... they all must have their own stuff...just like we do.

No "Free Loaders" gpoing to live here.... just the rule of the land.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')
I guess that different enironments provoke different reactions. None of them are 'the truth', just the reality in a certain place and time.

[Cloud9]

Sorry did not understand the requirement was urban raiding of rural homesteads. Sherman's bummers might be close to what you are looking for.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('duke', 'I')Plasma TVs and such??? My dear poor man.... we have a 65" H.D and a 50k 4x4 for just the lovely wife.... heck even the fishing boat we take some of our neighbors out fishing in is worth...70k. Debt free to boot.

[mos6507]

Whichever way you go, in an overshoot die-off situation, nobody's going to want to just let the die-off wash evenly over the globe, there is going to be a desire to partition the world into a series of sustainable enclaves that are walled off from "everything else". This is the musical chairs scenario that I keep talking about. One can only hope that the size of those enclaves is large enough that you're heavily buffered from direct threat, but worst case scenario the enclave is going to be a series of heavily spaced out individual doomsteads. So you can argue what the makeup of those enclaves are going to be, but there will ultimately be the haves and the have nots until all the have nots have 'died off'.

Even if the entire planet "prepped", all it is going to do is delay the point at which all mitigation efforts fail. When that happens, the least sustainable areas will collapse one by one (probably starting with the city).

Again, I will qualify this by saying it assumes that we are in overshoot, meaning there is no way to avoid at least some die off. I do not see a way to avoid this unless we institute global reproductive limits in the very near future. That's already more optimistic than most. But to me as long as our population keeps growing, we're definitely going to have some kind of forced die-off. To me, no amount of "Plan B" would be sufficient in a world that keeps being further strained with more and more people while fossil fuels disappear and the ecosystem buckles.

The idea that an attitude adjustment alone will help us get through this is ludicrous. Unless that adjustment includes people intentionally not having kids, no amount of community-building will prevent death and destruction. The best you can hope for is to be one of the survivors.

To me, this is the fundamental question of peak oil and I think everyone who has been here for any length of time feels the same. We all may have to play God in deciding where to draw the boundaries around our lifeboats, who belongs and who is a "zombie" and when to make the flip from business-as-usual to survival mode. We can only hope that such a date is still very far of in the future and we'll only have to live through the milder stages of potentially peaceful powerdown.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'S')orry did not understand the requirement was urban raiding of rural homesteads.

[StormBringer]

i do think history provides an example of what to expect. During the great plague. Starvation and sickness ran wild. And if my history channel has been even close it's a fine example in history of zombie's gone wild.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('StormBringer', 'i') do think history provides an example of what to expect. During the great plague. Starvation and sickness ran wild. And if my history channel has been even close it's a fine example in history of zombie's gone wild.

[duke]

...my response was to these postings below of yours. About me/us. None are true yet you keep fishing? I never posted "shallow life style" as per anyone. I will not disclose how and if we will ever defend ourselves from one person or maybe more. The only zommbies I know of are the TV monsters that can not run but you can never out run them? Go figure?

Did I say I hated people with plasma tvs? Lamboghinis? Hardly. So I simply responded money and wealth does not bother my either way. We have some of it in the form of private and personal property...not for your wanting little hands too bad

Been poor and been rich...let me say this...rich is better:). We are not filthy rich but well off and sure not feeling guilty for it either:(.

As for falling down...we all will die someday.

As for you concern about my financial investments..well I am truly touched...

Actually we ran/run a real tight ship here and predicted this financial crisis and sold it all off way early but for a couple and now are sitting fat:):) I can not for the life of me understand what your concern is all about when it comes to what others have or don't have in wealth? Except that you feel it is your destiny to redistribute it..... your type is always first in line to...

RE;Somebody like Duke with all his preps could be a leader in this regard, but rather he chooses the idea of isolationg himself off from all of them because he hates their shallow lifestyles so much. Maybe he can keep them all out and he'll be a much happier guy when they are all gone and he is the last one left. Who knows.



RE;He has never fully explained here quite how he is going to deal with all the future Zombies in his neck of the woods he despises for their unsustainable lifestyles with Plasma TVs and Lamboghinis other to shoot every last one of them that crosses his property line, that is if they can get past the Electrified Fence with 20,000 Volts flowing through it,

Anyway...enough of all this. I do agree with the other poster that the world is already over populated and getting worse. It will be a big factor soon as it is now in the weekly news from all over this world. One of these days the duct tape patches are going to give way and /////you better watch out...you better not cry...cause Santa knows if...you have been a good prepping boy!!!

No "Free Loaders" at this here Ranch.

[StormBringer]

Ludi I do think i said i believe, which is a conclusion of my openion. And your less than nice comment wasn't needed or wanted. And unlike many on here i can come to my own conclusion without having to use a spoon.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('StormBringer', 'L')udi I do think i said i believe, which is a conclusion of my openion. And your less than nice comment wasn't needed or wanted.

[StormBringer]

Im not as old as all that to have been there so your facts are baised upon the openion of others same as mine.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('StormBringer', 'I')m not as old as all that to have been there so your facts are baised upon the openion of others same as mine.

[StormBringer]

I am new here and i dint mean to step in it. It was just an opinion and i never wanted to start this, it just struck me wrong as i try to be nice to everyone and i didnt feel i was wrong to express the only example i could concieve that would be even close, Not exact, but close.

[Ludi]

Ok, sorry about that.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')
The idea that an attitude adjustment alone will help us get through this is ludicrous. Unless that adjustment includes people intentionally not having kids, no amount of community-building will prevent death and destruction. The best you can hope for is to be one of the survivors.

[Cloud9]

The motte and bailey fortifications of the dark ages speak to a time of marauding hordes looking for food. Apparently these things were thrown up all over Europe at a time of social collapse. Considering the time of construction and the man hours required the treats on the local population must have been real and terrible.

http://www.castlewales.com/motte.html


This level of anarchy must have been brought about by climate collapse and the corresponding collapse of agriculture.