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THE Panic-Don't Panic Thread (merged)

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Give me a break people, stop the panic epidemic

Postby TheNonBeliever » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 07:37:33

The fact is the world is a god damn huge place, and we have yet to search the majority of our planet. We have searched more area in outer space than we have below our waters, so who is anyone to say how much oil is left? Granted, the supplies we do know of are running low, but we have yet to search many other areas.

I for one would like to see us run out of oil so that we can switch to more cleaner sources of of energy. This paranoia has got to stop. It is too easy to get people to believe what the hell your saying simply by getting a scientist and a graph to show you or tell you something. If I wanted to I could affirm that God exists with a simple slide of my hand and people would swallow it all up. Paranoia feeds paranoia. The only thing this site accomplishes is spreading worries to people which makes them lazy and not want to do crap with their life. Grow up.

Quit it with the world is gonna end stuff. This kinda crap has been going on since the dawn of time. The fact is humans have been going through changes since we have been around, and we have always adapted to our situation. Instead wasting your time posting this crap and spreading paranoia and lazyness, how about trying to do something positive. Go pick up some garbage around your neighborhood.
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Postby RonMN » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 07:46:21

He's right...LOOK...oil fell to $12 a barrel :-D
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Postby ohanian » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 08:09:15

What, me worried?

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Re: Give me a break people, stop the panic epidemic

Postby clv101 » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 08:10:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheNonBeliever', 'T')he fact is the world is a god damn huge place, and we have yet to search the majority of our planet. We have searched more area in outer space than we have below our waters, so who is anyone to say how much oil is left?
For the last 20 years we have discovered less oil each year than we have used, this is despite the most searching with the most advanced methods yet. No one, not even the oil companies suggest that there are huge yet to be discovered reserves. All the big finds were made in the 50's and 60's. Do you seriously think we're going to 'discover' several new reserves as large as Saudi Arabia? That's what it would take to buy another generation of business as usual.

There is the short term problem that even if we did find a new Saudi Arabia today, it would take 7-10 years before oil started to flow in volume so it wouldn't help the supply/demand crunch we're hitting over the next couple of years.
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Postby Aaron » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 08:13:48

Thank god...

I was getting worried.

I mean with geologists, oil industry insiders, Nobel Prize winners, and even politicians claiming peak oil is happening, it was looking grim.

Finally, somebody had the guts to set us straight.

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Good luck with your position on hydrocarbon depletion.

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What do we think of "The World is a big place" argument?
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: Give me a break people, stop the panic epidemic

Postby Jack » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 08:21:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheNonBeliever', 'T')he fact is the world is a god damn huge place, and we have yet to search the majority of our planet. We have searched more area in outer space than we have below our waters, so who is anyone to say how much oil is left? Granted, the supplies we do know of are running low, but we have yet to search many other areas.


Excellent!

You can make a really good deal on a new SUV right now...say, a Hummer2 or an Escalade. Why not treat yourself? Go out and buy one today! You know you want to.

And since oil is going to come down anyway...it will come down, right?...you'll be in a perfect position to enjoy the new SUV and low prices too!

Jack...still spreading peace, harmony, and good will. 8)
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Re: Give me a break people, stop the panic epidemic

Postby TWilliam » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 08:51:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'Y')ou can make a really good deal on a new SUV right now...say, a Hummer2 or an Escalade.


An H2? Oh come on Jack! That is like, SO last year. One of these is definitely where it's at now.

Get with the program, man... :lol:
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Re: Give me a break people, stop the panic epidemic

Postby MJ » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 09:13:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheNonBeliever', '
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Quit it with the world is gonna end stuff. This kinda crap has been going on since the dawn of time. The fact is humans have been going through changes since we have been around, and we have always adapted to our situation.


See, that is your interpretation... Who the hell said the world is comin to an end? Who said we'll be out of oil?
You must be able to separate the "doomtalkers" from the people who know what they're talking about. You must listen to them, instead of just hearing ...
The world is not gonna end, no one said it would. What was said was that we as a society will have to adapt to a new reality, a reality in which cheap, abundant energy isn't as accessible as it is today. As you've said yourself, we will adapt to a new situation.
BTW: Peak oil is not about running out of oil, it merely describes the peak in global production, and the following decline, which will put an end to CHEAP oil, as we know it now. We'll prolly still be pumping the stuff out somewhere 50 years from now...
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Re: Give me a break people, stop the panic epidemic

Postby VMA131Marine » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 09:40:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheNonBeliever', 'T')he fact is the world is a god damn huge place, and we have yet to search the majority of our planet. Best...

G. Rodriguez


This is a true but irrelevant statement. The geologic conditions for oil formation and retention are well defined and quite specific. There is no point looking for oil in places where these geologic conditions do not exist. Therefore, it is not necessary to search the entire planet for oil. In fact, through decades of exploration, the oil industry has already identified all the places where large deposits of oil are likely to be found. This is why new finds tend to be small in size and comparatively difficult to recover. It is highly unlikely that there is even one more Ghawar size field to be found, let alone the several that would be necessary to substantially push back the timing of Peak Oil.
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Postby Kingcoal » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 10:01:07

Here is a good link that sums things up:
Peak Oil: Fact and Fiction
from Greg Croft. One thing he brings up is that all of the large wells have peaked, some of them long ago. The replacement production has been coming from more and more fragmented and dispersed fields. In other words, the big puddles are all in decline and we are hopping around, quickly sipping up the small drops. We may find a large field under a polar region, but as the article states, "undiscovered resources are a fantasy." Fantasies don’t tend to be very scientific.

I actually believe that we are in the early stages of peak and have managed to prolong cheap oil up to this point by market manipulation. For instance, we'd have been here in the late nineties if the Asian crisis didn't happen.
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Re: Give me a break people, stop the panic epidemic

Postby Doly » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 10:02:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheNonBeliever', 'W')e have searched more area in outer space than we have below our waters, so who is anyone to say how much oil is left?


I tend to trust the word of oil geologists on this one. It's their field of expertise, you know.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheNonBeliever', 'I')f I wanted to I could affirm that God exists with a simple slide of my hand and people would swallow it all up.


Have you noticed that a lot of people here don't seem to fall in the gullible category, at least not about things different from peak oil?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheNonBeliever', '
')The only thing this site accomplishes is spreading worries to people which makes them lazy and not want to do crap with their life. Grow up...


Incorrect. The attitude of many people here is to prepare actively, not to get depressed and do nothing.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheNonBeliever', '
')This kinda crap has been going on since the dawn of time.


True. But in some particular times in history, doomers have been right. For example, those that said that Hitler was dangerous.
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Postby mididoctors » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 10:48:24

well i think we should stop panicing...

why?

because we know that we are on the cusp of the downside of the curve and it isn't a surprise.

after all the arguments for peak oil are compelling logical and with precedent.

therefore it is a situation we know is going to arise so in that respect being the ones who claim clear insight as it where we are the ones who should be chilling the f**k out and dealing with in some constructive way so that headless chicken time doesn't pervade throughout humanity especially in those people who may start saying 'what the f**k is going on" because they are ignorant of the issue.

nonbeliever can be totally wrong on the issue of fossil fuel depletion... and I think he is

he could also seriously underestimate the scale of the problem... but really this is exactly why we shouldn't panic..

there is no point.. this is the time not to panic or grab the cyber buddy next to you as thou you are about to go over the top of some big dipper fun ride...

this is the time to go..."yes we knew this would happen and we need to do this this this and this etc etc etc"

moreover we should be instilling a sense of we can handle this s**t no we are f**ked.

thats true even if you think it isn't possible!

an example of a stupid irresponsible reaction is the Goldman sachs superspike report.. it contributes nothing increases fear and irrational speculative behavior and in the end doesn't even address the problem.

panic and panic mongering is pointless.. informed education and consumer preferences for lower consumption is a good reaction ...

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Postby max_power29 » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 11:00:07

"The fact is humans have been going through changes since we have been around, and we have always adapted to our situation."

There has never been almost 7 billion people alive before either. This high of a population is simply not possible without massive mounts of cheap fossil fuel available.
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Postby khebab » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 11:25:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mididoctors', '
')an example of a stupid irresponsible reaction is the Goldman sachs superspike report.. it contributes nothing increases fear and irrational speculative behavior and in the end doesn't even address the problem.

Good point! I think this report was really irresponsible and it shows the mindset of traders and other financial institutions who are getting ready to speculate on the commodity market despite the grave consequences for the economy.
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Postby RockHind » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 11:30:11

I've got this toll bridge in Easter Island i'm selling, an investor could really position themself to capitalize on near term commuter growth...
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Postby max_power29 » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 11:59:26

"Give me a break people, stop the panic epidemic"

Oh yeah... Epidemic? I would hardly consider the amount of people aware of and concerned about peak oil an EPIDEMIC. Its hardly anybody as far as americans go.
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Postby ConsumptionJane » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 12:16:50

Nonbeliever,

Believe it or not but there are many of us here that do not believe that the world will end either. However, we are able to distinguish between the theory of peak oil and whatever that means for the future of this planet, if anything. Tell us what you think about the validity of oil depletion theory applied to the world before writing off this entire site.
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Postby frankthetank » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 12:34:20

Oh god, Hitler came up...

REad read read and you'll see that peak oil will impact all of us some way (maybe positive, maybe negative).
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Postby julianj » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 16:15:58

We should have been preparing for this for 30 years, so I think the overall effects will be pretty negative. I'm sure you know that too, Frank.

As far as panicking goes, I've run out of Brown Jodphurs, but the rest of the drones I try to get through to sail on obliviously. It only here, with my fellow comrades and realists, we get a proper whiff of (sensible) panic, as well as sensible preparation as far as we can.
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Postby Kent » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 17:42:56

One day before the stock market crash of 1929 there were people saying nothing of the sort could ever happen.

Five minutes before the Titanic went down there were people saying it was an unsinkable ship.

It's not really being negative to say "The Titanic is going down, please make your way to a lifeboat.

Being negative would be to begin screaming: "We're all going to die! We're all going to die!" (even if it were true it wouldn't much help matters).
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