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Preparation, Bragging, Jealousy and Responsibility
Re: Preparation, Bragging, Jealousy and Responsibility
by ReverseEngineer » Tue 16 Dec 2008, 20:43:42
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'I')'ve read your posts for a while and I think I've got you dialled in. What you want is for your fellow Americans to have a decline in affluence and wealth. Whether that comes in the form of providing for the healthcare of illegal aliens, or tearing down the successful, or stripping the prepared of their food, you want to make sure that your neighbors have less tomorrow than they have today.
I have read your posts and debated you and got you "Dialed In" also Aboob. You basically would like to boot out of the country everyone who didn't arrive on the Mayflower along with bomb the Israeli Zionists back to the Stone Age in an effort to preserve your access to Plasma TVs and Big Macs.
It not about wanting to impoverish everyone, its about a rational distribution of wealth and the correct reward for labor and value added to society. Sorry, Pigmen who trade Worthless Paper controlling everyone's life and flying around in jets while Farmers cannot make ends meet because the commodity markets are screwed up and they can't get credit makes no sense to me. This makes sense to you?
I have no use for xenophobes who think the problem lies with illegal aliens or zionists; your arguments do not make sense and don't match up with the facts before us. You need to go back and reevaluate from first principles. You are so phenomenally WRONG about everything you write its just pathetic. Its impossible almost to write a reply to your posts because they are so full of errors you just don't know where to begin. LOL.
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Re: Preparation, Bragging, Jealousy and Responsibility
by ReverseEngineer » Tue 16 Dec 2008, 21:02:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('patience', 'I')t may depend on what sort of community we live in, whether to get communal sooner or later. Some places we have lived, I would agree with your outlook, mostly cities. The small towns, from pop. 250 to 6,000, however, I think it would be well to begin community efforts ahead of time. That requires being a functional part of that community, whatever your role. Those roles will change for many people as time goes on, but if a person is known to others on a personal or business/working sort of relationship, they become somewhat more trustworthy. That works even better if THEY know that YOU know their mother/sister/dad, whatever. When a town has become too big for peer pressure to be effective as a social force for good, then it is too big for me. In general, it is the socially alienated person who becomes a problem.
There is no doubt this is true, and I am quite aware that the same strategies which might work in a small town 40 miles West of Nowhere will NOT work in Atlanta or New York or Chicago. I don't have a paradigm for survival inside that environment, and I haven't yet read anyone's city dwelling prep plan that seems the least bit viable to me.
Far as the Suburban Plans go with smaller plots of intensively farmed gardens, these appear a little more realistic, but again I would say if you don't organize Community Protection schemes with all your neighbors and work together, your plans will quickly fall apart with neighbors children stealing your vegetables and so forth.
The Sooper Doomer 2000 Acre farms with the Howitzers and the Photon Torpedoes? To me those look like magnets for a Goobermint Takeover if there is any Goobermint, and magnets for every Zombie inside of 100 miles if there is not. As I said, I live in the least populated place of anyone here, and if we don't work together, it will be a shooting gallery out there. Every Tom Dick and Harry has a gun here.
Anyhow, its your choice whether you want to try and cooperate and share, or whether you think you can hole up and make it as an individual. Be your own moral arbiter on this if you like, but there is only one correct answer on this test.
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Re: Preparation, Bragging, Jealousy and Responsibility
by patience » Wed 17 Dec 2008, 10:57:46
RE, Yeah. Keep your head down, be insignificant to TPTB, and be an asset to those around you. Works for me.
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Re: Preparation, Bragging, Jealousy and Responsibility
by duke » Wed 17 Dec 2008, 11:48:53
Def; Freeloader...someone who wants something for free but had not contributed to carry any of the load.
Def; Good Deal... when both parties are happy with the outcome.
If TSHTF there will be countless people more than happy to eat at the tables of the prepared. Eat there until it is all gone and then move on. Entitlement mentality disorder...
Realizing that there will be countless, we decided to look among those countless for the few who actually have gotten their chit together for such an event.
We have found some well on their way.
Found a few already there, just short the location to get through it.
Found even less with their supplies and a very safe location, while still living a normal happy life. Goog for them....
All and all we have networked and established a working relationship with almost enough to fulfill the number here which the infrastructure of our location can support. Plain and simple.
Every location is much like the old "life boat" senerio.... The boat will only support/carry so many souls...then if more are still added it sinks and they all perish....
I don't care how much some of you boast about saving others and your lousy community... no location with it's infrastructure and supplies can exisit for long if it is over loaded. Period.
The infrastucture when...the grid is gone, utilities are gone, no pressurized water coming out of your fancy faucet, no garbage pick up, no heat, disease growing, no toilets flush, no snow plowing, no nothing.... well just what the infrasturcture could once support has taken on a whole new meaning.
Add to that the things deperate people begin to do and it gets real unappealing to network then...
We believe it is just a waste of everyone lives to pack 50 people into a location which can only support 30.
It comes down to this.... do you intend on survivng for a week and that is all.. if so invite the whole town over....
If only a month invite your neighbors in. Of course in both cases they are all empty handed..bringing only their wants/needs and hunger.
If six months invite one couple in....then run out of food.
If a year or more invite in only those who have already gotten their own supplies and wish to team up for mutual protection....
The later is us.
Knowing there will be plenty to team up with "if" something ever happens (but only 1%-2% will have their needed supplies we simple are the realist preppers some of you are not. We are prepping our team before hand...not during the crisis itself.
Heck we are not selfish at all... We simply are going to not empower "freeloaders" rather strive after a "good deal" for both sides.
I think I am going to post on the "planning for the future " site next, a short list of levels of preparation I penned up the other day. You might look for it and find out just where you fit in...then where the majority of those around you fit in.... then think about looking fot the few who are ready.
Def; Good Deal... when both parties are happy with the outcome.
If TSHTF there will be countless people more than happy to eat at the tables of the prepared. Eat there until it is all gone and then move on. Entitlement mentality disorder...
Realizing that there will be countless, we decided to look among those countless for the few who actually have gotten their chit together for such an event.
We have found some well on their way.
Found a few already there, just short the location to get through it.
Found even less with their supplies and a very safe location, while still living a normal happy life. Goog for them....
All and all we have networked and established a working relationship with almost enough to fulfill the number here which the infrastructure of our location can support. Plain and simple.
Every location is much like the old "life boat" senerio.... The boat will only support/carry so many souls...then if more are still added it sinks and they all perish....
I don't care how much some of you boast about saving others and your lousy community... no location with it's infrastructure and supplies can exisit for long if it is over loaded. Period.
The infrastucture when...the grid is gone, utilities are gone, no pressurized water coming out of your fancy faucet, no garbage pick up, no heat, disease growing, no toilets flush, no snow plowing, no nothing.... well just what the infrasturcture could once support has taken on a whole new meaning.
Add to that the things deperate people begin to do and it gets real unappealing to network then...
We believe it is just a waste of everyone lives to pack 50 people into a location which can only support 30.
It comes down to this.... do you intend on survivng for a week and that is all.. if so invite the whole town over....
If only a month invite your neighbors in. Of course in both cases they are all empty handed..bringing only their wants/needs and hunger.
If six months invite one couple in....then run out of food.
If a year or more invite in only those who have already gotten their own supplies and wish to team up for mutual protection....
The later is us.
Knowing there will be plenty to team up with "if" something ever happens (but only 1%-2% will have their needed supplies we simple are the realist preppers some of you are not. We are prepping our team before hand...not during the crisis itself.
Heck we are not selfish at all... We simply are going to not empower "freeloaders" rather strive after a "good deal" for both sides.
I think I am going to post on the "planning for the future " site next, a short list of levels of preparation I penned up the other day. You might look for it and find out just where you fit in...then where the majority of those around you fit in.... then think about looking fot the few who are ready.
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Re: Preparation, Bragging, Jealousy and Responsibility
by Ludi » Wed 17 Dec 2008, 12:16:05
OOO! I want to see duke and ReverseEngineer go at it mano a mano! 
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Re: Preparation, Bragging, Jealousy and Responsibility
by duke » Wed 17 Dec 2008, 13:09:24
Not really the need to go mayo to mayo, RE goes to great lengths here to push his groupie point of view...but always with no numbers of those in the community fully outfitte and by how much vs how many of the majority mass with nothing set aside and just how long...the neighborhood block party will last worth those supplies. Why ?
We post from a survival point of view. Simple and true. Enough food and shelter for one for a year is cut in half with two, in quarters with four and one month with twelve. Do the math here...
In a crisis everyone will be doing the math and tough choices will need to be made. Better believe they will be to. Heck there is not more than 72 hours worth of food normally stocked at any grocery store right now. Go figure no resupply and honestly figure how much huge space it takes to lay up for a community and ...well no way does it work...sorry. Then add in the crisis hits in November and the snow is falling...no cute gardens then. What you got is what you got.
This point of view was brought to you by..."Reality Check" at no charge to you.
We post from a survival point of view. Simple and true. Enough food and shelter for one for a year is cut in half with two, in quarters with four and one month with twelve. Do the math here...
In a crisis everyone will be doing the math and tough choices will need to be made. Better believe they will be to. Heck there is not more than 72 hours worth of food normally stocked at any grocery store right now. Go figure no resupply and honestly figure how much huge space it takes to lay up for a community and ...well no way does it work...sorry. Then add in the crisis hits in November and the snow is falling...no cute gardens then. What you got is what you got.
This point of view was brought to you by..."Reality Check" at no charge to you.
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Re: Preparation, Bragging, Jealousy and Responsibility
by StormBringer » Wed 17 Dec 2008, 13:20:52
A very valid point if the shtf during the winter mths. Many more people will find their plan of action shot to pieces. As many will in that event try to go south to a much more stable yr round temp. So to prep for the winter to be the beginning of events is very wise.
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Re: Preparation, Bragging, Jealousy and Responsibility
by Ludi » Wed 17 Dec 2008, 13:28:49
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('duke', '
')This point of view was brought to you by..."Reality Check" at no charge to you.
')This point of view was brought to you by..."Reality Check" at no charge to you.
Sometimes we're a little lacking in the reality department on po.com.
But we do try to keep it real here in the Planning Forum.- Ludi
Re: Preparation, Bragging, Jealousy and Responsibility
by Umber » Wed 17 Dec 2008, 13:59:14
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
') its about a rational distribution of wealth and the correct reward for labor and value added to society. Reverse Engineer
') its about a rational distribution of wealth and the correct reward for labor and value added to society. Reverse Engineer
And here's the rub, RE. Who gets to make the decisions concerning the definition of the "correct reward for labor and value added to society." You? Ludi? Me? Our definitions might differ widely.
In a sane world "we" would make the decisions but I'm not so sure "we've" done that in a sensible fashion even in good times... thus the "Pigmen" (to use your term) flying around in corporate jets.
You make a number of good points in your posts so I'd like to hear your ideas as to which person, or group of people, will decide who gets what when TSHTF.
Thanks.
Umber
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