[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I') seriously doubt actual personal car loans will get bailed out. That would be a serious stretch. Taxpayers would not like that one bit.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'B')ailing out the failing businesses of the rich with the tax of the working man has nothing to remotely do with egalitarian labour socialism. In fact, it is the antithesis of labour socialism and is the early onset of full blown militant fascism.

Clearly if these measures fail, you can not only expect the full and complete sequestration of your taxes, but such an outcome under the barrel of a gun. And there will be nothing you or any half witted miitia will be able to do unless you are prepared to dispense with Rambo like individual and useless responses and organise by arming yourself with knowledge. Knowledge is the greatest weapon and one the elite fear above all else.

[Minvaren]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I') seriously doubt actual personal car loans will get bailed out. That would be a serious stretch. Taxpayers would not like that one bit.

[jasonraymondson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '
')
How long until we go ahead and formally adopt the hammer and cicle for our national symbol?

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')What is going on in American is Corporate Fascism.

[IgnoranceIsBliss]

"Separately, the Wall Street Journal reported the Energy Department is working to release $5 billion in loans to GM to help it finance the merger. The money, according to the report citing a person familiar with the matter, would come from $25 billion in financing approved by Congress last month to help domestic manufacturers make more fuel efficient cars."

What a joke. Fuel efficient cars = just slightly better gas mileage when averaged as a fleet

GM needs to have it's feet held to the fire & be forced to develop alternative FUELS if they are going to accept bailout money. Our money = we call the shots

No more resistance and no more buying technology and sitting on it

Yeah, when pigs fly...

[Revi]

Why should we bail out GM? Why not give the money to people who are interested in making vehicles that use a lot less energy? Why not give the money to Zap, or Aptera?

To heck with GM. They are so 20th century.

We need new vehicles that get about 250 mpg equivalent.

Dinosaurs went extinct for a reason.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Minvaren', '
')
Derrick Jensen, in his voluminous tome "Endgame: The Problem of Civilization" states this as one of his tenets. People higher in the order are allowed to take from those lower in the order, whereas if the reverse happens the lower-statused person gets attacked or even killed. But the only thing that differentiates the two groups are some pieces of green paper that aren't even real wealth.

When financial agencies sell their bad loans, they generally get pennies on the dollar for it. The exact amount depends on how likely the purchaser thinks it is that they'll be able to recoup the investment (via collection or legal methods) and make a decent profit. If the government comes in and pays anything near value for these loans, the execs will be chuckling with a nice little bonus all the way to retirement.

[Twilight]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'W')hat is actually occurring is fascism, yes, but even that term comes with a fair amount of ambiguity and the connotation of Nazism.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'W')hat is actually occurring is fascism, yes, but even that term comes with a fair amount of ambiguity and the connotation of Nazism.

[Twilight]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'I')'m just intimating the impression I get from my countrymen.

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I')'m unaware of any instances of people higher up on the chain taking from those lower down. Additionally, those lower down have beena huge drag on the system for decades, so I realyl have little problem with those higher up finally getting a piece of the pie.

[Brandon26pdx]

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'F')rom Disturbed's "Land of Confusion" cover

[Graeme]

Obama aide promotes job plan, warns automakers

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')xelrod warned automakers, seeking billions in government help to stave off collapse, to devise a plan to retool and restructure by next month. Otherwise, he said, "there is very little taxpayers can do to help them."

Axelrod couldn't resist taking a jab at the Big Three executives, who left Congress empty-handed last week after flying into Washington in corporate jets and pleading for money. "I hope that they will come back to Washington in early December — on commercial flights — with a plan," he said.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')eneral Motors (NYSE:GM) said it will shut down virtually all of its North American plants for January, cutting another 250,000 vehicles from its first-quarter production schedule by temporarily closing 21 factories.

Some production, however, will continue at GM's plants in Ontario, said Stew Low, spokesman for General Motors of Canada.

[cipi604]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')eneral Motors (NYSE:GM) said it will shut down virtually all of its North American plants for January, cutting another 250,000 vehicles from its first-quarter production schedule by temporarily closing 21 factories.

Some production, however, will continue at GM's plants in Ontario, said Stew Low, spokesman for General Motors of Canada.

[Sixstrings]

I think the Canadians passed some kind of auto bailout on their own, so showing preferance for Canadian factories would make sense.

Ya gotta pay to play, after all.

[idiom]

The easy way into bankruptcy. 'Temporarily' shut everything down, hire other people to 'renovate' the factories after stripping them, then never open the factories again.

No riots, no lock outs, no shoes going into machines...

[Snowrunner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'I') think the Canadians passed some kind of auto bailout on their own, so showing preferance for Canadian factories would make sense.

Ya gotta pay to play, after all.