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Re: 30 billion fewer miles driven, and counting

Unread postby Armageddon » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 10:20:43

If gas goes down , we will be driving more. Sorry, but $140.00+ oil is here to stay.
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Re: 30 billion fewer miles driven, and counting

Unread postby yesplease » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 17:31:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', 'B')rilliant news, BUT are airlines included as mass transit?
I don't think so, at least the article makes no mention of 'em under the mass transite heading.
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Re: 30 billion fewer miles driven, and counting

Unread postby DantesPeak » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 17:39:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to AAA, the average two-car family now would spend about $6,200 a year to gas up its vehicles.

"That's unsustainable. At some point, the math begins to not work," said Stephen Reich, director of the Center for Urban Transportation Research at the University of South Florida.


The point being no matter how many billions of miles less driven, the cost of transportation fuel is going up as a proportion of household spending - reducing the overall standard of living.

OF2 and Mr. Reich may get some ideas here at PO.com if they really want to know what happens after the suburban way of life becomes "unsustainable".
It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting.
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Re: 30 billion fewer miles driven, and counting

Unread postby TreebeardsUncle » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 23:05:48

This is still a very small beginning.

The coefficient of the elasticity of demand for gasoline in America is such that for every 14% rise in the price of gasoline, demand only falls 1%.

Let's see where things stand in 10 years when gas is up in the $12/gallon range, and in 20 years when it is up around $25/gallon.

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Re: 30 billion fewer miles driven, and counting

Unread postby yesplease » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 23:43:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreebeardsUncle', 'T')he coefficient of the elasticity of demand for gasoline in America is such that for every 14% rise in the price of gasoline, demand only falls 1%.
The long run and short run elasticity of oil are different. Short term, people don't have as many options for reducing consumption. Long term they can move, get a more efficient vehicle, work closer to home, etc... Here's a pdf on the subject. If you look at table four you can see the long-run elasticies tend to be much higher then the short-term elasticities reflecting the ability of consumers to change their behavior.
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Re: 30 billion fewer miles driven, and counting

Unread postby ReducedToZero » Sun 06 Jul 2008, 03:12:28

IF you take the percentage of income that each of those items individually contribute, you'll notice in 08' in comparison to the 70s, the total % of disposable income spent on fuel AND vehicles is less now then it was back then.... that will soon change. the Gas line (the bottom line on the chart) is going to rapidly increase.
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Driving in the US continues to decline

Unread postby copious.abundance » Fri 12 Dec 2008, 22:49:19

--> CNN <--
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]U.S. driving on the decline
Americans continue to avoid the open roads, even as gas prices continue to fall, says the Department of Transportation.
By Aaron Smith, CNNMoney.com staff writer
December 12, 2008: 12:44 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Driving in America has undergone its most dramatic continuous decline in history, the Department of Transportation said Friday.

Americans drove 100 billion fewer miles during the 12-month period between November 2007 and October 2008 compared with the prior year, according to the DOT's most recent data.

U.S. Transportation Secretary Mary Peters noted that driving continued to decline even as gas prices came off their summertime peaks.

"The fact that the trend persists even as gas prices are dropping confirms that America's travel habits are fundamentally changing," she said in a statement.

The nationwide average price for unleaded gas was $1.656 per gallon on Friday, according to the motorist group AAA. Gas prices hit a peak of $4.114 a gallon on July 17.

In October, driving volume posted its steepest monthly drop since 1971, according to the DOT. Americans drove 3.5% less, or 8.9 billion fewer miles, compared with October 2007.

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Stuff for doomers to contemplate:
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http://peakoil.com/forums/post1193930.html#p1193930
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1206767.html#p1206767
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Re: Driving in the US continues to decline

Unread postby dinopello » Fri 12 Dec 2008, 23:34:43

As gasoline costs went up, there was less going[s]driving[/s] to Maui Wowi ... Business at Maui Wowi dropped and here we are.
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