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Laser Drilling

Postby JohnDenver » Sat 02 Apr 2005, 22:26:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Laser beams soon may be drilling oil and gas wells

14-01-04 A revolutionary method for using laser beams to drill oil and gas wells moved a step closer to reality in the laboratories of the Colorado School of Mines.
The university announced it has acquired six laser technology patents from Boeing in a major step forward in the transfer of military laser uses to civilian applications. If the adaptation of technology borrowed from Reagan-era "Star Wars" military programs is successful, it will mark the first fundamental change to rotary drilling techniques since the concept was invented in Britain in 1845.

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Laser drilling, Graves said, would have several advantages over conventional drilling:
-- Costs could be at least 10 times lower and up to several hundred times less than wells drilled with rotary rigs. For example, a typical, 10,000-foot gas well in Wyoming's Wind River Basin costs about $ 350,000 to drill. Laser drilling would drop that cost to $ 35,000 or lower, Graves said.
-- A laser drill's "footprint" -- the amount of surface space it occupies -- could be as little as 100 square feet, or even less with some models.
-- The laser rigs could be transported to drilling sites in one semi-trailer load. Conventional rigs take up several thousand square feet of space and require numerous truck trips to haul equipment.
-- Lasers could drill a typical natural-gas well in about 10 days, compared with 100 days for some conventional wells.
"You're looking at three months of disruption versus a week or so of disruption with a laser drill," Graves said.
-- Lasers could be programmed for precise well diameters and depths. In addition, they could alternately drill coarsely to deliver mineral samples, finely to vaporize rock and leave no waste materials, or with intense heat to melt the walls of well bores, thus eliminating the need to place steel casing in wells.

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex40407.htm

Compare this with Monte's theory:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o, as we slide down the Hubbert’s Curve, not only will the rate of production decrease, but the cost of that production will increase.


Laser drilling may actually make production of the "hard to get" oil and gas easier than production of the stuff which was "easy to get". This would cause a lot of havoc with reserve numbers because commercially unfeasible small/deep deposits would suddenly become "proven" (i.e. exploitable with current technology). Lynch would be vindicated, and Campbell's predictions would have to be "adjusted", YET AGAIN.
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Postby DriveElectric » Sat 02 Apr 2005, 22:50:01

Wow. That is very impressive. Any sort of time frame when such lasers might be applied in a commercial oil field?
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Postby Antimatter » Sun 03 Apr 2005, 01:04:10

Prototype in two years according to the article, so still a way off. If it works out as well as claimed this would be excellent news for hot dry rock geothermal, as the main capital cost is in drilling the deep wells.
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Postby JBinKC » Sun 03 Apr 2005, 01:15:27

Better yet anything on any public corporate entity who owns the patents to the process. I am sure they are going to make a mint.
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Postby 0mar » Sun 03 Apr 2005, 02:08:26

lol this is the revolution in drilling technology that I keep talking about.

Depending on when a feasible model can be put out and how well it actually does vs PR speak, it could potentially delay the peak for quite a while.
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Postby Devil » Sun 03 Apr 2005, 03:24:18

I'll keep an open mind on this until it has been proven as viable. I think it will have one small but surmountable problem: there will inevitably be ignition as HCs hit molten rock, where air has reached it. It probably means the well being drilled will have to be pressurised with nitrogen. Not a big deal. The obvious disadvantage is that drilling must be in a straight line: many conventionally drilled wells "turn a corner" when they get to the oleofers or gazofers to get faster seepage or to exploit otherwise inaccessible "pockets". One big potential advantage would be a sturdier borehole as there would probably be no need for a metal lining because the periphery would be vitrified in many strata. I'd be a little worried about going through chalk, marble, limestone or dolomite strata, as these would decompose into reactive quicklime or magnesium oxide and not vitrify. If water seeped down to those levels, an exothermic reaction would occur.
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Postby dmtu » Sun 03 Apr 2005, 09:15:40

I'd say directional drilling will not take a back seat. The "production shaft" would be drilled with laser then a conventional rig could be brought in for all the fancy stuff done below the anhydrous cap. I'm sure John D will keep us up to date.
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Postby Devil » Sun 03 Apr 2005, 10:05:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dmtu', 'I')'d say directional drilling will not take a back seat. The "production shaft" would be drilled with laser then a conventional rig could be brought in for all the fancy stuff done below the anhydrous cap. I'm sure John D will keep us up to date.


If you need a conventional mechanical drilling rig, it loses its attractiveness of much smaller footprint, setting up time etc. In fact, it would probably cost more, then, than straight mechanical drilling from the start. I'd like comparative figures, under these conditions.
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Postby Triffin » Sun 03 Apr 2005, 11:25:13

Check this out from 1998 ..
Two laser drilling techniques ..
COIL and MIRACL ..

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex81417.htm

Seven years later and nary a peep from the oil
drilling industry ... hmmmm ..

Here's more ..

http://www.drilleronline.com/CDA/Articl ... %2C00.html

And this article addresses the technical difficulties ..

http://blowout.crystalgravity.com/laser.pdf


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Re: Laser Drilling

Postby eric_b » Sun 03 Apr 2005, 13:05:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Laser beams soon may be drilling oil and gas wells



More sci-fi and conjecture from JD. All experiemental stuff, especially
using the very high powered chemical lasers they discuss.

Come back when they having a working commercially viable drilling rig.
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Postby Aaron » Sun 03 Apr 2005, 13:35:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lthough Boeing still has an interest in lasers for military and aerospace applications, it was not using the earlier technologies.
"Rather than let these things lie around dormant, we wanted them to go where there would be good applications," said Boeing spokesman Glen Golightly.
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Postby Pops » Sun 03 Apr 2005, 18:35:22

This would be good news certainly for oil companies.

Just as the big increases in oil price over the last years has dramatically increased the amount of oil on the market by making once unprofitable fields now viable.
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Postby JohnDenver » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 00:20:04

FAQ by Ramona Graves on her research:
http://www.mines.edu/laser/FAQ.htm

The direct diode laser (DDL) she is currently using is 4000 watts. She doesn't provide a specific energy for the DDL, but the figure for an Nd:YAG laser is about 6kJ/cm3. So if we were to use a 4000watt Nd:YAG laser, and drill a hole with a diameter of 1.12cm into rock, we could cut down 1cm in 1.5sec. So a 300,000cm (10,000 foot) hole could be drilled in 450,000sec =125hours.

That's definitely fast drilling. The main problem, as Ms. Graves notes in her FAQ, is getting the laser down the hole. The earliest lasers for testing were huge:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he size of lasers varies from the US Army's MIRACL which is the size of a small refinery to the Direct Diode laser which is about of the size of a shoe box (shown below). The US Air Force COIL has been miniaturized, as part of the airborne laser defense system, to operate inside a Boeing 747.


Clearly you can't put the MIRACL or COIL down a hole. You would have to use some kind of fiber optic arrangement, but there's some hard technical issues, as pointed in the link from Triffin:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')etermining if optical fibers are the most advantageous method to transfer the tremendous energy of the infrared lasers down hole. This is a new area of research for the fiber industry, which has been more concerned with data speed and quantity than power levels. The record to date is 10kW into a fiber less than 1 millimeter in diameter, but only for 10 meters. This is encouraging, but scaling this up to 2,000 meters, or more, may prove to be very difficult. The 10kW test showed that the laser energy has to be precisely injected into the fiber, or the fiber is quickly destroyed. The engineering required to reliably handle this much energy in the field will be substantial.


You could probably put the whole DDL into a hole (you can see it in the picture of Ms. Graves), but then you're only getting 4000W down the hole, and cutting a 12inch diameter hole to accomodate the laser would slow down the cutting too much. Somehow, you've got to get 10 or 20 DDLs down the hole to work in parallel. Or, get one DDL down there which can put out a lot more watts. In short, miniaturization appears to be a problem.

This also appears to be why the first use of these systems is likely to be in well completion or stimulation, i.e. specific finishing tasks down an already completed hole. The low wattage isn't such a problem if the main goal is precision or control, rather than speed.

The EROEI is an interesting question. As the Table shows, conventional drilling requires a lot fewer joules per cubic cm of rock than laser drilling. On the other hand, if the rig is more compact and the drilling period is substantially shortened, a lot of energy, labor and materials are going to be saved. There's not enough information to answer the question.
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Postby JohnDenver » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 00:40:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')his would be good news certainly for oil companies.


I'm starting to wonder about that, Pops. If there were a breakthrough in drilling technology, it very well might lead to another glut, which (as we all know) is the recurring nightmare of the oil executive. Maybe capitalism acts to hinder growth. If I owned a well of material with no substitutes, I would reduce production to the lowest possible level compatible with funding my lifestyle. One drop a day if I could get away with it. Price gouging is the best way to get maximum value per unit. Why should you produce more just because people need it? Out of the goodness of your heart? There's no financial incentive to do so.
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Postby dmtu » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 17:24:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Devil', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dmtu', 'I')'d say directional drilling will not take a back seat. The "production shaft" would be drilled with laser then a conventional rig could be brought in for all the fancy stuff done below the anhydrous cap. I'm sure John D will keep us up to date.


If you need a conventional mechanical drilling rig, it loses its attractiveness of much smaller footprint, setting up time etc. In fact, it would probably cost more, then, than straight mechanical drilling from the start. I'd like comparative figures, under these conditions.


This may be the only time I'll ever disagree with you Devil.

From my standpoint, having worked as a worm on smaller exploratory rigs, The most tedious, labor demanding, unproductive process is tripping steel in and out of the hole, whether it be to change bits, replace worm holed steel, or just to unclog a bit. Getting through hard materials like the cap alone may require several bit changes but once you get through the cap material, whatever it may be, the oil bearing sandstone should be quiet easy to drill.

I'll easily allow that initial cost of such lasers would be astronomical however; subsequent discoveries, mobility and lesser cost of dry holes would make the system very worth while. Smaller discoveries may only require that the producing company fracture the oil bearing structure with explosives. Medium to large structures could be drilled directionally. I may be wrong but with the production shaft completed a conventional rig would no longer need the large foot print because the vast majority of the production work would be done, you probably would no longer require shaving pits, and I think the amount of drilling mud would be substantially decreased (speculating).

Anyone have any ideas on how to create a down-hole directional mudflow preventer? :wink:
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Postby Devil » Tue 05 Apr 2005, 08:00:07

Well (pun intended :D ), it's all speculation at this stage anyway. As I said in my first post, I'll keep an open mind until this idea is proven as viable, technically and economically.
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Laser Drilling....

Postby What2DO » Mon 20 Nov 2006, 03:37:45

Hello Im not sure if this topic has been posted on P.O yet, if it has just delete this post.

I would like to know what you guys think of this technology will it help much?Laser Drilling
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Re: Laser Drilling....

Postby kokoda » Mon 20 Nov 2006, 05:56:15

I have two questions.

How much energy would be required?

And what happens when you hit a gas pocket?
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Re: Laser Drilling....

Postby mrflora » Mon 20 Nov 2006, 21:56:06

Note what the article says:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ow researchers believe that state-of-the-art lasers have the potential to penetrate rock 10 to 100 times faster than conventional boring technologies -- a huge benefit in reducing drilling costs.

And, obviously, reducing drilling costs could make previously uneconomic gas or oil reserves commercially viable.


I am sure any private company would do an economic analysis before putting money into laser drilling.

Hitting a gas pocket would cause no problems as long as the hole had an airtight seal.

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Re: Laser Drilling....

Postby IslandCrow » Tue 21 Nov 2006, 06:07:47

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ow researchers believe that state-of-the-art lasers have the potential to penetrate rock 10 to 100 times faster than conventional boring technologies -- a huge benefit in reducing drilling costs. /quote]



I have just had a well-hole bored through rock in my garden (for a ground heat exchange system). A small hole 154 metres deep took most of the day to drill. There were three men working; checking the machine, loading new sections to the well, making sure the rock dust ended up in the tanker etc. From this example, I would suppose that a major saving of the laser system would be in labour costs, rather than in energy cost.
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