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Is America saving its oil and using ours first?

Postby boostindazz » Thu 31 Mar 2005, 05:41:30

I was talking to a petrol station attendant before. He basically reckoned that the American oil companies are only tapping 10% of Americas oil capacity, and they are using up everyone else's first, hence why they are in Alaska, Iraq etc. He also said we have 40+ years of oil left and this is all a big scare so oil companies can justify their price increase.....?? Maybe they know about ALOT more oil than they let on?

OR is this dude talking crap?
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Postby Doly » Thu 31 Mar 2005, 06:00:02

Peak oil isn't the end of oil. Peak oil is the halfway point. It's the end of CHEAP oil.
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Postby Don_Quichote » Thu 31 Mar 2005, 06:50:05

Do you think a petrol station attendant knows everything about oil ?
Forget it.

The USA is already far over the midpoint of depletion...

Read more about the problem concerning peakoil and you will start to understand why we might have a big problem in the near future.
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Postby aahala » Thu 31 Mar 2005, 13:29:07

The 10% claim, crap.

A Gomer Pyle type pumping gas is a credible source as to
where the pump nozzle goes or how to ringup the sale against
your credit card.

He is unlikely to have vast knowledge about oil, medical science,
art history, or anything else as far as that goes.
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Postby JoeW » Thu 31 Mar 2005, 14:58:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aahala', 'T')he 10% claim, crap.

A Gomer Pyle type pumping gas is a credible source as to
where the pump nozzle goes or how to ringup the sale against
your credit card.

He is unlikely to have vast knowledge about oil, medical science,
art history, or anything else as far as that goes.

Roger that! If the guy is so smart, what's he doing pumping gas for a living?
He's been around the gasoline fumes too long, I think.
Sure we're holding out on oil in the US...that's why we have more wells than anybody in the world, and our reserves stand at 2 or 3% of the world's total. Where's the gas station at? I'll set 'em straight.
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Re: Is this statement true?

Postby 0mar » Thu 31 Mar 2005, 15:09:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('boostindazz', 'I') was talking to a petrol station attendant before. He basically reckoned that the American oil companies are only tapping 10% of Americas oil capacity, and they are using up everyone else's first, hence why they are in Alaska, Iraq etc. He also said we have 40+ years of oil left and this is all a big scare so oil companies can justify their price increase.....?? Maybe they know about ALOT more oil than they let on?

OR is this dude talking crap?


Alaska is in the US and probably the only place that's left onshore that has any producible oil. There are some promising conditions off the coast of California and in the Gulf as well, but we are pretty much tapped out for oil at this point.
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Postby El_Producto » Thu 31 Mar 2005, 15:35:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e basically reckoned that the American oil companies are only tapping 10% of Americas oil capacity


Meaning that the US could produce 50 million barrels a day? Even if peak oil were a conspiracy to drive up prices, that doesnt make any sence.
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Postby boostindazz » Fri 01 Apr 2005, 00:47:03

I'm all new to this, and from a little country called New Zealand. So I can't comment......

But I don't understand why the world's production of oil will decrease if they are only half way through the oil?? And is oil production directly related to demand?
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Postby threadbear » Fri 01 Apr 2005, 01:40:15

Warren Buffet pumped gas until he was 39 years of age. George Soros worked in a car wash for years, before he finally got his big break, and became a busboy. It was another 4 or 5 years before he became the manager of a Taco Bell. And look where he is today?
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Postby Cash » Sat 02 Apr 2005, 09:26:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'W')arren Buffet pumped gas until he was 39 years of age. George Soros worked in a car wash for years, before he finally got his big break, and became a busboy. It was another 4 or 5 years before he became the manager of a Taco Bell. And look where he is today?


Excuse me? Warren Buffett has been investing in the stock market since he was 11 years old, he owned his first business in high school, and he began working as a stock broker after graduating from the Wharton School of Business in his 20s. George Soros graduated from the London School of Economics in 1952, immigrated to the United States four years later and set up his first investment fund immediately afterwards.

Please, do some research before you pass on such ridiculous urban myths.

http://www.woopidoo.com/biography/warren_buffett.htm
http://www.woopidoo.com/biography/george-soros/
http://www.soros.org/about/bios/a_soros

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Re: Is this statement true?

Postby Cash » Sat 02 Apr 2005, 09:34:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('boostindazz', 'I') was talking to a petrol station attendant before. He basically reckoned that the American oil companies are only tapping 10% of Americas oil capacity, and they are using up everyone else's first, hence why they are in Alaska, Iraq etc. He also said we have 40+ years of oil left and this is all a big scare so oil companies can justify their price increase.....?? Maybe they know about ALOT more oil than they let on?

OR is this dude talking crap?


Crap. Was there any question?

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Postby alpha480v » Sat 02 Apr 2005, 09:53:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JoeW', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aahala', 'T')he 10% claim, crap.

A Gomer Pyle type pumping gas is a credible source as to
where the pump nozzle goes or how to ringup the sale against
your credit card.

He is unlikely to have vast knowledge about oil, medical science,
art history, or anything else as far as that goes.

Roger that! If the guy is so smart, what's he doing pumping gas for a living?
He's been around the gasoline fumes too long, I think.
Sure we're holding out on oil in the US...that's why we have more wells than anybody in the world, and our reserves stand at 2 or 3% of the world's total. Where's the gas station at? I'll set 'em straight.


Just because someone has to work a minimum wage job doesn't mean that they are stupid.Could it be that they might have been down-sized from their good paying job,and are taking what they can to feed their families?Maybe their un-employment benifits just ran out,and they have no savings,and can't get a job doing what they were doing previously.How does this make someone stupid?

Using your logic,professional athletes should be among the smartest people in the world because of the money they make.Maybe we should have them solve the peak oil crisis for us.
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Postby Pops » Sat 02 Apr 2005, 10:04:44

I just read this analogy somewhere:

Imagine you love pistachios; someone gives you, absolutely free, a big room filled waist high with the nuts – the only caveat is you have to leave the empty shells in the room after you eat the nuts.

At first life is good and it “costsâ€
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Postby HonestPessimist » Sat 02 Apr 2005, 13:46:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cash', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'W')arren Buffet pumped gas until he was 39 years of age. George Soros worked in a car wash for years, before he finally got his big break, and became a busboy. It was another 4 or 5 years before he became the manager of a Taco Bell. And look where he is today?


Excuse me? Warren Buffett has been investing in the stock market since he was 11 years old, he owned his first business in high school, and he began working as a stock broker after graduating from the Wharton School of Business in his 20s. George Soros graduated from the London School of Economics in 1952, immigrated to the United States four years later and set up his first investment fund immediately afterwards.

Please, do some research before you pass on such ridiculous urban myths.

http://www.woopidoo.com/biography/warren_buffett.htm
http://www.woopidoo.com/biography/george-soros/
http://www.soros.org/about/bios/a_soros

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See? That threadbear know everything that we don't. I laughed so hard at her idiotic post. :lol:

That's why I put her on ignore because she's such a uninformed Marxist tool.
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Postby BabyPeanut » Sat 02 Apr 2005, 20:38:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'W')arren Buffet pumped gas until he was 39 years of age. George Soros worked in a car wash for years, before he finally got his big break, and became a busboy. It was another 4 or 5 years before he became the manager of a Taco Bell. And look where he is today?

Is this humor? :?:
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Postby threadbear » Sat 02 Apr 2005, 21:51:12

Baby Peanut, Warren Buffet pumped gas, as a hobby, long after he became a millionaire. And George Soros still likes to moonlight in full serve gas stations to keep his hand in the real world, in case he ever has to find a real job. They're both such good sports.
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Postby 4dsc » Sun 03 Apr 2005, 20:57:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')He basically reckoned that the American oil companies are only tapping 10% of Americas oil capacity, and they are using up everyone else's first, hence why they are in Alaska, Iraq etc. He also said we have 40+ years of oil left and this is all a big scare so oil companies can justify their price increase.....??


First read this little article http://www.energybulletin.net/4466.html about an insiders view of American oil and drilling.. Good read..

Second, yes the world does have about a 40 year supply of oil but at the rate we are using it, it will be GONE in 23..

I foresee massive disruptions to our lives coming down the pipe, sooner than later..

and I hope I found THE forum for discussion Peak oil and everything related..
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Postby Keith_McClary » Sun 03 Apr 2005, 23:36:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('boostindazz', 'I')'m all new to this, and from a little country called New Zealand. So I can't comment......

But I don't understand why the world's production of oil will decrease if they are only half way through the oil?? And is oil production directly related to demand?

Try drawing a production graph where the peak occurs much after the halfway point of production.
You will find that production must drop steeply after the peak.
The production curves of oilfields do not look like this, they taper off gradually over decades.
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Postby Keith_McClary » Sun 03 Apr 2005, 23:46:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'B')aby Peanut, Warren Buffet pumped gas, as a hobby, long after he became a millionaire. And George Soros still likes to moonlight in full serve gas stations to keep his hand in the real world, in case he ever has to find a real job. They're both such good sports.

Hey, April 1 was yesterday. It's over. If they don't catch on, you have to wait till next year and try again.
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